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Europe/Great Britain : Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

 

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Al
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24 Dec 2019
06:06:09am
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Al
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24 Dec 2019
06:06:10am
re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

As I work my way into Machins, I have decided not include the sheet, coil, and booklet varities unless there is something special about them (straight edge, etc). I may collect one issue that has that diversity.

In the original post, the second aspect is it has arabic gum.

What I need know is an image of a never used PPP type stamp example under SW UV.


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24 Dec 2019
08:28:39am
re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

Deegam.com HB4 defines phosphor and gum vars... as does SGS VOL 4

the Cook booklet also offers plate flaws ...

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https://picclick.co.uk/Stamps/Great-Britain/Elizabeth-II/Machin-Definitives/?q=coil+predecimal

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24 Dec 2019
01:12:05pm
re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

@Angore,

"never used PPP type stamp"


Did you mean PCP or am I missing something here?

Edit from Adminware site:
PPP acronym: preprinted phosphor paper. Ordinary FCP paper was pre-printed with all over phosphor and then used to print stamps in the usual way. Short-lived, only used in October 1979.

Only 3 Machin stamps appeared on this paper:

1p crimson
2p deep grey-green
10p greyish orange
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24 Dec 2019
04:03:04pm
re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

Yes, I mean PPP. The 10p variety came in ACP, PCP, and PPP including bands, I want to be 100% sure I have a PPP variety. It is harder with used stamps. Here is an example.

What is the stamp on the right? All 10p had some phosphor aspect. You can see a coating is there but could be dead from washing.

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24 Dec 2019
05:07:54pm
re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

Ok after much searching around it seems (the 10p) to come from Booklet DP35 which is SG concise FH1 but have not been able to confirm if all these booklets were PPP.
Maybe Charlie or Phos45 can weigh in with confirmation.
The booklet retailed at £1.00.

Edit this seems to confirm it as the correct booklet.https://web40.secure-secure.co.uk/stamp-collector.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_19_522_523&products_id=13196&zenid=ei60qau7e2nnp3ui6802of6rq3

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29 Dec 2019
07:56:35am
re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

I also have 1p crimson that has a similar appearance under SW. The ACP/PCP types show moree reaction under SW UV.

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06:06:09am

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Al
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24 Dec 2019
06:06:10am

re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

As I work my way into Machins, I have decided not include the sheet, coil, and booklet varities unless there is something special about them (straight edge, etc). I may collect one issue that has that diversity.

In the original post, the second aspect is it has arabic gum.

What I need know is an image of a never used PPP type stamp example under SW UV.


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phos45

24 Dec 2019
08:28:39am

re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

Deegam.com HB4 defines phosphor and gum vars... as does SGS VOL 4

the Cook booklet also offers plate flaws ...

search

https://picclick.co.uk/Stamps/Great-Britain/Elizabeth-II/Machin-Definitives/?q=coil+predecimal

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sheepshanks

24 Dec 2019
01:12:05pm

re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

@Angore,

"never used PPP type stamp"


Did you mean PCP or am I missing something here?

Edit from Adminware site:
PPP acronym: preprinted phosphor paper. Ordinary FCP paper was pre-printed with all over phosphor and then used to print stamps in the usual way. Short-lived, only used in October 1979.

Only 3 Machin stamps appeared on this paper:

1p crimson
2p deep grey-green
10p greyish orange
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Al
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24 Dec 2019
04:03:04pm

re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

Yes, I mean PPP. The 10p variety came in ACP, PCP, and PPP including bands, I want to be 100% sure I have a PPP variety. It is harder with used stamps. Here is an example.

What is the stamp on the right? All 10p had some phosphor aspect. You can see a coating is there but could be dead from washing.

Image Not Found

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sheepshanks

24 Dec 2019
05:07:54pm

re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

Ok after much searching around it seems (the 10p) to come from Booklet DP35 which is SG concise FH1 but have not been able to confirm if all these booklets were PPP.
Maybe Charlie or Phos45 can weigh in with confirmation.
The booklet retailed at £1.00.

Edit this seems to confirm it as the correct booklet.https://web40.secure-secure.co.uk/stamp-collector.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_19_522_523&products_id=13196&zenid=ei60qau7e2nnp3ui6802of6rq3

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Al
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29 Dec 2019
07:56:35am

re: Machin Prephosphored Paper (PPP) Identification

I also have 1p crimson that has a similar appearance under SW. The ACP/PCP types show moree reaction under SW UV.

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