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21 Dec 2019
03:56:20pm
Have I hit the jackpot or just wishful thinking on a cold damp afternoon sorting a pile of stamps. Meets all criteria of C4. Distance between 10 and first bar measures 4 1/2 mm. My concern is the last part of the description which states "Counterfeits exist" The 10 FR. looks a little dark but who knows? Reason for asking, Cats at $8,250

If I send to be expertized, where should I send? Any help would be appreciated

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21 Dec 2019
05:46:42pm
re: France C4?

I looked at the image in Scott, Michel and the note in Gibbons about the surcharge. Scott does not show a period at the end of the surcharge, however, the other two catalogs indicate that there is a period. I would suspect Scott as being wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

Comparing the font on the Michel image, the surcharge appears to be a little smaller than on your stamps, but the Michel image is not that great. Michel does warn of counterfeits just as Scott does.

With no notation about how the surcharge was applied, I would think that it was printed on the stamp. Check your stamps to see if the surcharge looks like it was handstamped. The C3 surcharge on your stamp is not on an even line with the horizontal plane of the stamp.

See what others say here, and take the stamps to a dealer to get a quick opinion.


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21 Dec 2019
06:16:54pm
re: France C4?


More info...
https://www.stampcommunity.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24470

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21 Dec 2019
06:44:23pm
re: France C4?

Thanks for the responses. Would take to a dealer if we had one here in Corpus, but alas none to be found.

I put under my microscope to see if the cancel was over or under the overprint, but could not tell one way or the other.

My over prints are nice and crisp as shown in the link Don posted.

If I send to and expert, who do you recommend?

Again, thanks for the help.

Mel

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dollhaus

21 Dec 2019
07:15:06pm
re: France C4?

Michael,

My older Scott shows the period after the OP. Why would Scott show it years ago and then change to no period? Then again, why does Scott do a lot of the things it does?

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21 Dec 2019
10:19:17pm
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"I put under my microscope to see if the cancel was over or under the overprint, but could not tell one way or the other."


My thoughts exactly. It would seem on a cursory look of your images that the o/p is on top of the cancellation, but it needs microscope or magnifying inspection. Most C3 &C4 I have encountered are counterfeits.

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21 Dec 2019
10:58:59pm
re: France C4?

My Scotts are 2020.

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22 Dec 2019
04:08:51am
re: France C4?

Hello mbo1142,
Very,very nice stamps if they are genuines.
See stamps in Yvert-Tellier catalogue:
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I don't send stamps for expertise but I found on net a few french expert:Roumet,Calves et Jean Francois Brun.
I found on a site (Brun expert) "jbfphilatelie.com" a little article:
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22 Dec 2019
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I am sorry,the site is "jfbphilatelie.com"

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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
21 Dec 2019
03:56:20pm

Have I hit the jackpot or just wishful thinking on a cold damp afternoon sorting a pile of stamps. Meets all criteria of C4. Distance between 10 and first bar measures 4 1/2 mm. My concern is the last part of the description which states "Counterfeits exist" The 10 FR. looks a little dark but who knows? Reason for asking, Cats at $8,250

If I send to be expertized, where should I send? Any help would be appreciated

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Just found what appears to be a C3. See Image.

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21 Dec 2019
05:46:42pm

re: France C4?

I looked at the image in Scott, Michel and the note in Gibbons about the surcharge. Scott does not show a period at the end of the surcharge, however, the other two catalogs indicate that there is a period. I would suspect Scott as being wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

Comparing the font on the Michel image, the surcharge appears to be a little smaller than on your stamps, but the Michel image is not that great. Michel does warn of counterfeits just as Scott does.

With no notation about how the surcharge was applied, I would think that it was printed on the stamp. Check your stamps to see if the surcharge looks like it was handstamped. The C3 surcharge on your stamp is not on an even line with the horizontal plane of the stamp.

See what others say here, and take the stamps to a dealer to get a quick opinion.


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21 Dec 2019
06:16:54pm

re: France C4?


More info...
https://www.stampcommunity.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24470

Don

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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
21 Dec 2019
06:44:23pm

re: France C4?

Thanks for the responses. Would take to a dealer if we had one here in Corpus, but alas none to be found.

I put under my microscope to see if the cancel was over or under the overprint, but could not tell one way or the other.

My over prints are nice and crisp as shown in the link Don posted.

If I send to and expert, who do you recommend?

Again, thanks for the help.

Mel

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dollhaus

21 Dec 2019
07:15:06pm

re: France C4?

Michael,

My older Scott shows the period after the OP. Why would Scott show it years ago and then change to no period? Then again, why does Scott do a lot of the things it does?

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21 Dec 2019
10:19:17pm

re: France C4?

"I put under my microscope to see if the cancel was over or under the overprint, but could not tell one way or the other."


My thoughts exactly. It would seem on a cursory look of your images that the o/p is on top of the cancellation, but it needs microscope or magnifying inspection. Most C3 &C4 I have encountered are counterfeits.

rrr...
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21 Dec 2019
10:58:59pm

re: France C4?

My Scotts are 2020.

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"Author: Seasons of Fantasies and Dreams, The Whitechapel Fog"

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gerom

22 Dec 2019
04:08:51am

re: France C4?

Hello mbo1142,
Very,very nice stamps if they are genuines.
See stamps in Yvert-Tellier catalogue:
Image Not Found
I don't send stamps for expertise but I found on net a few french expert:Roumet,Calves et Jean Francois Brun.
I found on a site (Brun expert) "jbfphilatelie.com" a little article:
Image Not Found

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gerom

22 Dec 2019
04:16:41am

re: France C4?

I am sorry,the site is "jfbphilatelie.com"

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