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27 Nov 2019
09:10:29pm

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I thought that this might possibly be a 2 for Almelo but perhaps its not a numeral cancel at all...Help, bring in the reserves !!Image Not Found

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28 Nov 2019
02:57:36am

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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

it looks more like a 3 (upside down) to me, which would make it Alphen.
The back of William's head is more or less in line with some of the number, that could be confusing.

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28 Nov 2019
09:05:09am

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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

Thanks Siem, i thought possibly 2 or even 9...i will put him on standby for the time being.

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28 Nov 2019
03:12:55pm
re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

Hi Phil,

That digit does not look like any numeral cancel. The problem, I think, is that there are two (different?) cancels over top of each other. See the top right.

The bottom part of the numeral looks to me like a 7 (upside down) with possibly a 2 or a 3 or just a random circle above it.

Here is what a 7 should look like:

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28 Nov 2019
05:31:52pm

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I think that I may have been wrong assuming that it was a 3. Take a look at this 230 (Wassenaar).
Your cancel definitely looks more like a 2. It also looks like it was moved a bit when it was applied.

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28 Nov 2019
08:57:48pm
re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

Here's a 2 postmark from Almelo:

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28 Nov 2019
09:52:56pm

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The 2 Nigel shows seems to resemble a hook ...i am still not sure what mine is.

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29 Nov 2019
08:16:42am
re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

Hi Phil,

I believe it's a 9 with a line underneath to show that it's not a 6.

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29 Nov 2019
08:26:44am

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the 9 in Dutch numeral cancels looks very different.

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(the 6 as well, for that matter)

I have not heard of 6's or 9's being underlined to distinguish them.

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29 Nov 2019
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In order to tell the 6 and 9 apart, an extra dot was added under or to the right of the numeral.

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29 Nov 2019
01:11:36pm

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i did not know that !

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30 Nov 2019
02:17:16am
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".... Extra punt onder het cijfer.
Deze punt werd aangebracht om verwarring met 'kopstaande' afdrukken te voorkomen.
9 kon zonder extra punt worden gezien als 6, evenals 99 en 66. De extra punt kan ook rechtsonder van het cijfer of getal worden aangebracht. ...."


I am sure most readers caught the meaning, from the similar words and previous explanation.
English is so Dutch or vice versa;
Extra point below the figure.
This point was made to prevent confusion with 'upside-down' appearance.
9 could be seen as 6, as well as 99 as 66 without an extra point.
The extra point can also be placed at the bottom right of the digit or number applied.


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30 Nov 2019
03:31:03am

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That's a very accurate translation. Did you do it yourself or with some help from Google?

It is correct, English and Dutch have a long history of influencing each other. Many English words (not only American English such as cookie and boss) derive from Dutch.

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30 Nov 2019
11:18:47am
re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

I have my Dutch-English dictionary. I write out what I think it is leaving blanks for what I do not . Then I try to fill in blanks and finally I looked at Mr. Google to see how close I am. Google translation is slightly different, but about the same overall meaning.
It is simply a late night mental exercise.

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27 Nov 2019
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I thought that this might possibly be a 2 for Almelo but perhaps its not a numeral cancel at all...Help, bring in the reserves !!Image Not Found

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28 Nov 2019
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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

it looks more like a 3 (upside down) to me, which would make it Alphen.
The back of William's head is more or less in line with some of the number, that could be confusing.

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28 Nov 2019
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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

Thanks Siem, i thought possibly 2 or even 9...i will put him on standby for the time being.

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simothecat

28 Nov 2019
03:12:55pm

re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

Hi Phil,

That digit does not look like any numeral cancel. The problem, I think, is that there are two (different?) cancels over top of each other. See the top right.

The bottom part of the numeral looks to me like a 7 (upside down) with possibly a 2 or a 3 or just a random circle above it.

Here is what a 7 should look like:

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Jan

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28 Nov 2019
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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

I think that I may have been wrong assuming that it was a 3. Take a look at this 230 (Wassenaar).
Your cancel definitely looks more like a 2. It also looks like it was moved a bit when it was applied.

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nigelc

28 Nov 2019
08:57:48pm

re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

Here's a 2 postmark from Almelo:

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(not mine)

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philb

28 Nov 2019
09:52:56pm

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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

The 2 Nigel shows seems to resemble a hook ...i am still not sure what mine is.

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29 Nov 2019
08:16:42am

re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

Hi Phil,

I believe it's a 9 with a line underneath to show that it's not a 6.

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29 Nov 2019
08:26:44am

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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

the 9 in Dutch numeral cancels looks very different.

Image Not Found

(the 6 as well, for that matter)

I have not heard of 6's or 9's being underlined to distinguish them.

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29 Nov 2019
08:47:51am

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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

In order to tell the 6 and 9 apart, an extra dot was added under or to the right of the numeral.

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29 Nov 2019
01:11:36pm

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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

i did not know that !

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
30 Nov 2019
02:17:16am

re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel


".... Extra punt onder het cijfer.
Deze punt werd aangebracht om verwarring met 'kopstaande' afdrukken te voorkomen.
9 kon zonder extra punt worden gezien als 6, evenals 99 en 66. De extra punt kan ook rechtsonder van het cijfer of getal worden aangebracht. ...."


I am sure most readers caught the meaning, from the similar words and previous explanation.
English is so Dutch or vice versa;
Extra point below the figure.
This point was made to prevent confusion with 'upside-down' appearance.
9 could be seen as 6, as well as 99 as 66 without an extra point.
The extra point can also be placed at the bottom right of the digit or number applied.


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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
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Jansimon

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30 Nov 2019
03:31:03am

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re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

That's a very accurate translation. Did you do it yourself or with some help from Google?

It is correct, English and Dutch have a long history of influencing each other. Many English words (not only American English such as cookie and boss) derive from Dutch.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
30 Nov 2019
11:18:47am

re: Need help with possible Dutch numeral cancel

I have my Dutch-English dictionary. I write out what I think it is leaving blanks for what I do not . Then I try to fill in blanks and finally I looked at Mr. Google to see how close I am. Google translation is slightly different, but about the same overall meaning.
It is simply a late night mental exercise.

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
        

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