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How about errors on American Philatelic Society Expert Committee certificates? I submitted five early French stamps to the committee over three years ago. When they came back, I gave each one a quick look just to confirm that all five of the stamps were authentic. Then they were stashed away until I scanned them in a couple of months ago when getting ready to post the stamps for auction. It was at that time that I noticed the error on the France #3 certificate. See if you can pick out the error in the scan below:
This stamp is presently posted for auction with the certificate to be included with the stamp if anyone purchases it.
I never checked with the APS Expert Committee if they would replace this certificate with a corrected one.
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Not United States. Should be France
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US vs France
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27 secs slow
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The magic of cut-and-paste!
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yes looking at it longer i see that too 
Though I have never seen an original but i assume the pattern should be consistent. Mistakes are all good its how you learn... trick is not to make the same mistake twice...
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I don't understand the last two posts. Explanation please?
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I think its my error actually that has you confused. I assumed the background pattern like say a cheque security mark would be consistent thru the document, but it actually even on the APS side is really a cut and paste job. If they actually used the security background it would enhance the documents authenticity. I think the previous poster was saying the misidentification was due to cutting and posting, when in fact its a typo. Odd as it makes faking these things even simpler than it would be otherwise...
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Faking one of these certificates from the APS might not be as simple as you believe. It is my understanding that they now have a digital database created that stores images of each certificate as it is created. One can search that database by certificate number to ensure that the certificate is actually on file with the APS. So the certificate number would be key; if you question whether the certificate is authentic, just search the database by that certificate number to ensure that it is authentic. To try to fake such a certificate would not only require that the a good copy of the certificate is created, but also that an exact copy of the stamp pictured on the certificate is also created. For all but the most expensive stamps (of which I don't have any), such an endeavour would not be worth the effort. And many that do obtain the most expensive stamps that have such certificates often have the stamp reexamined just ensure that what they have received is authentic (the maximum that APS charges for an expert opinion is $400, so for very expensive stamps this becomes a very small percentage of the cost of the stamp).
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Years ago, I had what I was fond of calling My One Thousand Dollar Shirt.
I figured that, if I was ever strapped for cash, I could stand outside any Lord & Taylor store, proudly showing-off my shirt, until the manager came out and paid me U$D 1000 just to take it off and go away.
It had two left sleeves.
That is, someone had attached a left sleeve where the right sleeve ought to go.
oktamps posted the cert to Stamporama.
I would have quietly blackmailed the APS, but that's me.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey (who twisted his back the first time he tried to button those cuffs)
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You should have responded with a certificate of your own and signed by you, that the Philatelic Expertizing Commission is crazy!
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Errors on stamps can often greatly increase their value, especially if the error is very noticable, rare and generally desired by collectors.
How about errors on American Philatelic Society Expert Committee certificates? I submitted five early French stamps to the committee over three years ago. When they came back, I gave each one a quick look just to confirm that all five of the stamps were authentic. Then they were stashed away until I scanned them in a couple of months ago when getting ready to post the stamps for auction. It was at that time that I noticed the error on the France #3 certificate. See if you can pick out the error in the scan below:
This stamp is presently posted for auction with the certificate to be included with the stamp if anyone purchases it.
I never checked with the APS Expert Committee if they would replace this certificate with a corrected one.
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Not United States. Should be France
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10:24:59pm
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US vs France
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27 secs slow
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The magic of cut-and-paste!
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yes looking at it longer i see that too Though I have never seen an original but i assume the pattern should be consistent. Mistakes are all good its how you learn... trick is not to make the same mistake twice...
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I don't understand the last two posts. Explanation please?
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I think its my error actually that has you confused. I assumed the background pattern like say a cheque security mark would be consistent thru the document, but it actually even on the APS side is really a cut and paste job. If they actually used the security background it would enhance the documents authenticity. I think the previous poster was saying the misidentification was due to cutting and posting, when in fact its a typo. Odd as it makes faking these things even simpler than it would be otherwise...
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Faking one of these certificates from the APS might not be as simple as you believe. It is my understanding that they now have a digital database created that stores images of each certificate as it is created. One can search that database by certificate number to ensure that the certificate is actually on file with the APS. So the certificate number would be key; if you question whether the certificate is authentic, just search the database by that certificate number to ensure that it is authentic. To try to fake such a certificate would not only require that the a good copy of the certificate is created, but also that an exact copy of the stamp pictured on the certificate is also created. For all but the most expensive stamps (of which I don't have any), such an endeavour would not be worth the effort. And many that do obtain the most expensive stamps that have such certificates often have the stamp reexamined just ensure that what they have received is authentic (the maximum that APS charges for an expert opinion is $400, so for very expensive stamps this becomes a very small percentage of the cost of the stamp).
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Years ago, I had what I was fond of calling My One Thousand Dollar Shirt.
I figured that, if I was ever strapped for cash, I could stand outside any Lord & Taylor store, proudly showing-off my shirt, until the manager came out and paid me U$D 1000 just to take it off and go away.
It had two left sleeves.
That is, someone had attached a left sleeve where the right sleeve ought to go.
oktamps posted the cert to Stamporama.
I would have quietly blackmailed the APS, but that's me.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey (who twisted his back the first time he tried to button those cuffs)
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You should have responded with a certificate of your own and signed by you, that the Philatelic Expertizing Commission is crazy!
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