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Oceania/Australia : B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

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Rob1956
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14 Oct 2019
02:05:29pm
The certificate was issued last month but only received it today. The cover has been given the highest rating for rarities for an Australian KGVI stamp. There are only 2 in existence.

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Horamakhet
14 Oct 2019
06:38:24pm
re: B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

Hi Rob
Very nice certificate. I like how detailed the explanation is, and so easy to read as well.

Are you still chasing the other cover. I hope that you find it.

I have never even seen a cover with any of the other BCOF stamps, but they must exist somewhere, probably collectors are holding on to them. +

I have not purchased anything lately, but who knows what is around the corner.

I have finally sorted my King George VI stamps into the order of the ACSC.

So much easier to deal with.

MY next job for the George VI will be to scan every page of stamps to set up a permanent reference data base for my self on my computer.

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Horamakhet

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Rob1956
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14 Oct 2019
09:41:37pm
re: B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

Hi Horamakhet

Chris is very detailed that is why I prefer him expertising the stamps and not anyone else (with the exception of Michael Drury, I will only trust him and Chris with the expertising of my KGV stamps).

I definitely am hunting for the second one, and then I will have the only pair in existence. The overprint on the cover is 0.5mm to the left. I will be looking for other covers with various misplacements and the MNH triple overprint, I know where to get the .05mm in MNH; the same on cover cost $1,000 more. This is one of the only reasons for me to collect a used stamp or cover, if they are rarer than the MNH and if they are part of an actual historical event at the time of issuance.

In the ACSC it mentions there is a double overprint that is misplaced 3mm to the left and is considerably scarcer and another even scarcer which is the triple overprint; it is now believed that the 3mm is actually the 0.05mm as it mentions that only two exist on the certificate and in the ACSC the 3mm is the only misplacement that has just two in existence, and that there are a few of the other covers that are not so misplaced.

Also, there is a one only triple overprint and that is in MNH, this stamp will have the same rarity level, and the highest rating for any rare stamp is of “Great Rarity”.

On the top of the reverse side of the certificate he guarantees authenticity, whereas with other expertisers they can only give an opinion.

I will email you my personal catalogue, it took years to create (collecting specific stamps) so you can see how I do it, but once you do the basic footwork, the rest is relatively easy, with my personal catalogue, it is in the same order as the stamps in my album, if I take a few out that are in a row, or many stamps out of the album, I can use the catalogue to put them back correctly.

If you have more than one album, you just create another Excel and title it with the album title and start over.

I also have an Excel page titled “Scarce to Great Rarity” with images and info, I also have all my stamps scanned and catalogued in order of ACSC.

I will send images as well.

Rob

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Sally
14 Oct 2019
10:12:12pm
re: B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

Rob,

That's an impressive certificate. How long did it take for the opinion?

Thanks for posting,

Sally

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Rob1956
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15 Oct 2019
12:09:33am
re: B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

Hi Sally

It took nearly four months to certify, I personally gave the cover plus another cover (a very rare 1965 5d red QEII without Helecon ink, all 1965 5d red stamps are supposed to have Helecon ink) to Chris Ceremuga personally on June 18, the certificates were completed September 14, and he gave them back to me last night (October 14) at 8pm at his office, but it was well worth the wait, it's a grading seldom seen and extremely rare in itself to see a KGVI stamp to be classified with the highest grading in philately.

Rob

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Horamakhet
15 Oct 2019
01:10:34am
re: B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

HI Rob
You are correct about only trusting the two persons mentioned.

Some certificates are absolutely rediculous, and it is like jewellery valuations.

I once saw a certificate from a very well known jeweller that said the item was an 1.00ct diamond of exceptional colour and clarity.

Being a Gemmologist, it made me laugh, there was no colour grading, no dimensions of the stone, and no clarity indication of the stone.

But, there are unscrupulous persons in all industries.

Cermuga and Drury, their reputation is by word of mouth, and which is usually the best type of recommendation.

I will keep my eye out from used copies on cover of BCOF, but I don't fancy my chances, but you never know what may turn up.

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Horamakhet




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Rob1956
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15 Oct 2019
01:33:56am
re: B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

Hi Horamakhet

Jewellers can be such crooks; they give the business a bad name. Being a Gemmologist certainly helps.

Both Ceremuga and Drury are the best in their field and take the business of certifying stamps very seriously, and I refuse to take second best.

There are only two of the types I have, and I know who has the other one, but there are others, none are below very rare, and all, I like to have in my collection (showing signs of greed and a wanton disregard of my bank account).

And you saying you don’t fancy your chances, with the luck you’ve been having, you’re likely to find the Holy Grail amongst other old cups in a carton in an op-shop or garage sale.

Rob

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Horamakhet
15 Oct 2019
09:57:02pm
re: B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

Hi Rob

Wanton greed is good, and ignoring the bank balance is good also where rare stamps are concerned, so long as the partner does not find out.

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Horamakhet

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Rob1956
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16 Oct 2019
07:02:35am
re: B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

Hi Horamakhet

My partner says she has no knowledge of stamps and only goes to the club because I go there, every-one talks to her, she gets involved in the viewing of displays and gives stamp related questions, not bad for some-one who has no interest in stamps.

She looks at the stamps I'm looking at and when I say that I might not buy the stamp, she says "I'll buy it for you".

WOMEN!!!!!

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ernieinjax
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16 Oct 2019
07:41:08am
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Rob,
You have a very rare find indeed. My wife is the same way. Orlando is about an hour and a half drive and I think up every excuse in the world not to go to a stamp show and SHE is the one convincing me why we need to go. All the while, the has ZERO interest in stamps. We have women who like to see us happy.

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Rob1956
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16 Oct 2019
08:39:52am
re: B.C.O.F. Double Overprint on Cover with Certificate

Hi Ernie

The cover is definitely a very rare find, and now having the certificate to verify its rarity makes it all the while. From Bondi Beach to Hurstville is about the same distance, and whenever there is a 3 day stamp fair or stamp expo, my partner again likes to accompany me.

There are usually over 50 stalls, and again she makes herself known amongst the stamp dealers, it's funny though, she happens to know which stalls I will seek out and others that I have no interest in.

There have been occasions when she will see a stamp at one of the fairs that I will be looking to buy, now I am very particular and to describe what I want is not easy if someone speaks on my behalf.

My partner called me over and said that she believes she found the stamp I want, and has asked the dealer to hold it back until I see it; sure enough it was the one.

I asked the dealer how did my partner describe it and he said that he thought she was the collector and she knew a lot about the stamp in question; and yet when we are at home and I ask her to look at a certain stamp on the screen from my collection, she says "you know I don't know much about stamps".

When you typed "We have women who like to see us happy" - such true words. I have a feeling she was a collector in a past life and it channels through her at the club or at the fairs (an eerie feeling).

Rob

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