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United States/BOB & Other : cut squares

 

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Harvey
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13 Oct 2019
02:03:35pm
I've just started collecting cut squares or envelope stamps as part of my US BoB. Value is not a primary concern but I do have a question. I see a lot of these trimmed to a circular shape leaving the envelope stamp undamaged. To me they don't look as good as the cut square, but what happens to the value? Newer ones are usually only a few cents anyway but some of the older rarer ones command a high price. Is this price still valid if they are trimmed?
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michael78651

13 Oct 2019
10:23:29pm
re: cut squares

If the "stamp" is "cut to shape", it is generally worthless.

According to the Scott US Specialized, cut squares on 20th century cut squares must have at least 1/4" on the two cut sides. The other two sides should have as large a margin as possible. Some other requirements relating to the margin size exist, depending on the envelope, but those are the basics. The larger the margins, the higher the value, providing that the stamp in the cut square is mostly centered. The less the margins, the lower the value. The catalog has images to show the proper margins for three conditions.

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14 Oct 2019
04:49:31pm
re: cut squares

Thanks Michael - Question answered. It's too bad that a lot of the ones out there have been cut to shape, it seems like it's quite common to do so,

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michael78651

14 Oct 2019
06:52:49pm
re: cut squares

Yes. It's too bad that alot of the common things that many people do to stamps is the wrong thing to do.

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15 Oct 2019
03:17:24pm
re: cut squares

actually, tastes and conventions change....

PNC5s are the convention, although they began as PNC3s.... for one other notable change

I find little interest in cut squares; not much more in complete postal stationary

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Harvey
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!

15 Oct 2019
05:01:56pm
re: cut squares

What in Heck is a PNC3 or a PNC3? Been a collector for damn near almost 50 years and have no idea what you are referring to. I'm not a huge fan of cut squares either, but I'm willing to learn!

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Al
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15 Oct 2019
05:17:43pm
re: cut squares

Plate number coils. PNC3 is a strip of 3 with the coil with plate number in center.

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16 Oct 2019
10:05:52am
re: cut squares

sorry, I actually defined terms earlier, but in another thread, and didn't realize i was talking acronym soup here. my apologies. Thanks, Al, for rescuing me.

Harvey, the current convention for PNCs (mint ones, anyway) is to have plate number o the center stamp and flanked by two examples on each side. This goes out the door when there are multiple stamps se-tenant, and then you often see PNC11s or PNC9s (sets of 5, 4, in strips of 11 or 9, respectively)

It's quite rare to find these guys used in such configurations, except on philatelic mail

David

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
13 Oct 2019
02:03:35pm

I've just started collecting cut squares or envelope stamps as part of my US BoB. Value is not a primary concern but I do have a question. I see a lot of these trimmed to a circular shape leaving the envelope stamp undamaged. To me they don't look as good as the cut square, but what happens to the value? Newer ones are usually only a few cents anyway but some of the older rarer ones command a high price. Is this price still valid if they are trimmed?

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"You know you're getting old when you stoop to tie your shoelaces and wonder what else you could do while you're down there - George Burns"
michael78651

13 Oct 2019
10:23:29pm

re: cut squares

If the "stamp" is "cut to shape", it is generally worthless.

According to the Scott US Specialized, cut squares on 20th century cut squares must have at least 1/4" on the two cut sides. The other two sides should have as large a margin as possible. Some other requirements relating to the margin size exist, depending on the envelope, but those are the basics. The larger the margins, the higher the value, providing that the stamp in the cut square is mostly centered. The less the margins, the lower the value. The catalog has images to show the proper margins for three conditions.

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
14 Oct 2019
04:49:31pm

re: cut squares

Thanks Michael - Question answered. It's too bad that a lot of the ones out there have been cut to shape, it seems like it's quite common to do so,

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michael78651

14 Oct 2019
06:52:49pm

re: cut squares

Yes. It's too bad that alot of the common things that many people do to stamps is the wrong thing to do.

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amsd

Editor, Seal News; contributor, JuicyHeads
15 Oct 2019
03:17:24pm

re: cut squares

actually, tastes and conventions change....

PNC5s are the convention, although they began as PNC3s.... for one other notable change

I find little interest in cut squares; not much more in complete postal stationary

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"Save the USPS, buy stamps; save the hobby, use commemoratives"

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
15 Oct 2019
05:01:56pm

re: cut squares

What in Heck is a PNC3 or a PNC3? Been a collector for damn near almost 50 years and have no idea what you are referring to. I'm not a huge fan of cut squares either, but I'm willing to learn!

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"You know you're getting old when you stoop to tie your shoelaces and wonder what else you could do while you're down there - George Burns"
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Al
Collector, Moderator
15 Oct 2019
05:17:43pm

re: cut squares

Plate number coils. PNC3 is a strip of 3 with the coil with plate number in center.

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"Stamp Collecting is a many splendored thing"
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amsd

Editor, Seal News; contributor, JuicyHeads
16 Oct 2019
10:05:52am

re: cut squares

sorry, I actually defined terms earlier, but in another thread, and didn't realize i was talking acronym soup here. my apologies. Thanks, Al, for rescuing me.

Harvey, the current convention for PNCs (mint ones, anyway) is to have plate number o the center stamp and flanked by two examples on each side. This goes out the door when there are multiple stamps se-tenant, and then you often see PNC11s or PNC9s (sets of 5, 4, in strips of 11 or 9, respectively)

It's quite rare to find these guys used in such configurations, except on philatelic mail

David

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"Save the USPS, buy stamps; save the hobby, use commemoratives"

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