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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
02:01:40pm
Is there an easy way to differentiate between Scott #36 and #51? Thanks for any assistance on this matter.

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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
03:06:07pm
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Similarly how to differentiate #62 and # 81? That is, what do verticals lozenges of varnish on the face of #81 look like? I can't see anything on these MNH stamps that would indicate this.. Thanks again!

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12 Oct 2019
05:32:49pm
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#36 and #51 - different watermarks
#62 and #125 - one's perforate and the other is imperforate, don't have to worry about the lozenges.
Russian watermarks are usually fairly easy to detect, as opposed to many other countries.
Good luck!!!!

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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
08:44:57pm
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Thank you Harvey. Just realized my error about 125; meant to ask about 62 vs 81 but appreciate your advise on the watermarks. I see the main difference is laid paper vs wove paper which seems more easy to distinguish. Again much appreciated.

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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
08:48:07pm
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Will have to learn more about watermarks in 36 vs 51. I see Scott refers to compound watermark 168 so will have to see how to I'd this.

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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
10:11:37pm
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Any idea what Scott number this stamp is? A surcharge on #74? Couldn’t find it in Scott. Image Not Foundtt

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13 Oct 2019
07:34:50am
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Hi Wigeon,

This is a civil war period stamp from the government of Admiral Kolchak in Omsk.

Scott lists this under Siberia.

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Wigeon

13 Oct 2019
07:38:53am
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Fantastic! Thank you!!

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13 Oct 2019
02:14:34pm
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I'm a long time Russia collector and have never really gone out of my way for the BOB stuff. I find it difficult to the point of annoyance and prefer to spend my time on the more regular stamps. The Russia BOB can be fun but only if you are willing to spend the time on it! Your choice, but I would do a bit of research before you decide to go there. Another point is how difficult it is to find. You see it occasionally on E-Bay but then you really have to trust the seller. It rarely shows up on SoR. If I could buy a large lot all at one time I might be tempted, but it would probably drive me batty before I got it done!!!

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Wigeon

13 Oct 2019
08:54:29pm
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Yes I know what you mean. I'm a Canadian collector and we're fortunate to have a catalogue by Erling VanDam on BOB material which makes it a lot of fun - wildlife fishing and hunting stamps, tobacco tax, gas tax, legal stamps,etc.

With the legalization of marijuana this year in Canada each province has a stamp sealing the packages of weed. These stamps are selling for $30 at the moment. They're difficult to find because they tear when the packages are opened so will remain fairly rare.

Harvey are you aware of the Grenoble error stamp for Russia- stamp #3370 was printed on some sheets without green ink so the Olympic Rings etc are missing. I have one in a strip of 5 MNH and posted a picture today on StampoRama if you want to take a look. I can't find anything online about it and nothing in Scott either. Would appreciate any information you may have about this one and a possible value relative to other similar errors. Much appreciated. -Rick

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14 Oct 2019
05:18:36pm
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I saw your picture of the Grenoble stamp and so far can find out nothing about it. Obviously it's not mentioned in Scott's and I checked my 7th edition of the Stanley Gibbons Russia Specialized and it's not mentioned there either. There must be a catalog somewhere that does that kind of thing but I don't have it, someone in SoR probably does! I collect Canada as well and I'm pretty sure the Unitrade does most of the common Canadian errors. I'll have a look through later for missing colours to see what they go for, it might help give some kind of idea. The only Canada BoB I collect are the basic ones - phosphors, semi-postals, airmails, postage dues, special delivery, war tax and officials. In other words I collect the BoB in my Harris Album (cutoff 1988). That section is complete as is Canada after #33, except for the Port Hood provisionals!! Canada is so much easier than Russia! I also collect the provinces but am missing about 40 stamps. I do collect Newfoundland BoB but there are only about 100 of so. Someone collecting all Canada BoB stuff would have a huge job - there are thousands of the darn things!
Addition: Canada #537i-grey missing-$4000, Canada #534 - black missing - $$2000
I know there are many more and some are probably cheaper. What you need to find out is how often this happens with Russia stamps. If it is common then the prices will obviously be lower. I used to collect Canada errors. Common ones like the "missing bird on the totem pole" for number 572 is only about $200 and some are much cheaper or much more expensive. Missing colours are usually very expensive and rare! Good luck!

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Wigeon

15 Oct 2019
01:34:10am
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Thank you Harvey. The Grenoble error is interesting and proving to be a mystery. I appreciate your checking on the relative values of missing colour errors for Canada and checking the Stanley Gibbons catalogue. Hopefully other SoR members will be able to suggest other references that might document this error.

I found this stamp in a box of material I purchased from the Bileski estate last year. He had a short note attached to the stamp stating that such errors in the USSR at that time were quite rare. He had an estimated value of $200 at that time but this was likely almost 50 years ago - although the note was not dated. Will continue to see if I can find any documentation about this error.

I also found several examples of the Red Army Soldier error in the box of Bileski material. This error is well documented in Scott and given a value of about $70—- in this stamp the regular value is 100k but the error stamp on the sheet is printed 70k. At the time Bikeski’s suggested value for this error was listed at $10 so since that time the value has increased 7 fold.

I have only two Canadian error stamps- one being smeared blue ink on the Canada goose stamp from the 1960’s. This one is not documented in Unitrade. I sold a block of 4 MNH with this error this past summer on the Weeda Stamp auction for just $100. I still have another block with this error.

I also have about 15 booklets of the Hanukkah stamp error that was printed and recalled almost immediately a few years ago. I think these are selling for only about $30-$70 per booklet. No one seems to know a lot about the reason for the recall on this stamp and in the reprinted stamps it was really only the stamp booklet cover that was altered and not the stamps themselves.

Again thank you Harvey- I’ll let you know if I can find anything more about the Grenoble error! Best regards.


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15 Oct 2019
06:26:44pm
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Siberia, Scott #1!

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Wigeon

15 Oct 2019
11:17:46pm
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Only valued at 60 cents but nice to have for sureHappy

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16 Oct 2019
11:02:14pm
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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
02:01:40pm

Is there an easy way to differentiate between Scott #36 and #51? Thanks for any assistance on this matter.

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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
03:06:07pm

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Similarly how to differentiate #62 and # 81? That is, what do verticals lozenges of varnish on the face of #81 look like? I can't see anything on these MNH stamps that would indicate this.. Thanks again!

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12 Oct 2019
05:32:49pm

re: Russia early stamps

#36 and #51 - different watermarks
#62 and #125 - one's perforate and the other is imperforate, don't have to worry about the lozenges.
Russian watermarks are usually fairly easy to detect, as opposed to many other countries.
Good luck!!!!

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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
08:44:57pm

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Thank you Harvey. Just realized my error about 125; meant to ask about 62 vs 81 but appreciate your advise on the watermarks. I see the main difference is laid paper vs wove paper which seems more easy to distinguish. Again much appreciated.

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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
08:48:07pm

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Will have to learn more about watermarks in 36 vs 51. I see Scott refers to compound watermark 168 so will have to see how to I'd this.

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Wigeon

12 Oct 2019
10:11:37pm

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Any idea what Scott number this stamp is? A surcharge on #74? Couldn’t find it in Scott. Image Not Foundtt

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13 Oct 2019
07:34:50am

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Hi Wigeon,

This is a civil war period stamp from the government of Admiral Kolchak in Omsk.

Scott lists this under Siberia.

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Wigeon

13 Oct 2019
07:38:53am

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Fantastic! Thank you!!

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13 Oct 2019
02:14:34pm

re: Russia early stamps

I'm a long time Russia collector and have never really gone out of my way for the BOB stuff. I find it difficult to the point of annoyance and prefer to spend my time on the more regular stamps. The Russia BOB can be fun but only if you are willing to spend the time on it! Your choice, but I would do a bit of research before you decide to go there. Another point is how difficult it is to find. You see it occasionally on E-Bay but then you really have to trust the seller. It rarely shows up on SoR. If I could buy a large lot all at one time I might be tempted, but it would probably drive me batty before I got it done!!!

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Wigeon

13 Oct 2019
08:54:29pm

re: Russia early stamps

Yes I know what you mean. I'm a Canadian collector and we're fortunate to have a catalogue by Erling VanDam on BOB material which makes it a lot of fun - wildlife fishing and hunting stamps, tobacco tax, gas tax, legal stamps,etc.

With the legalization of marijuana this year in Canada each province has a stamp sealing the packages of weed. These stamps are selling for $30 at the moment. They're difficult to find because they tear when the packages are opened so will remain fairly rare.

Harvey are you aware of the Grenoble error stamp for Russia- stamp #3370 was printed on some sheets without green ink so the Olympic Rings etc are missing. I have one in a strip of 5 MNH and posted a picture today on StampoRama if you want to take a look. I can't find anything online about it and nothing in Scott either. Would appreciate any information you may have about this one and a possible value relative to other similar errors. Much appreciated. -Rick

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14 Oct 2019
05:18:36pm

re: Russia early stamps

I saw your picture of the Grenoble stamp and so far can find out nothing about it. Obviously it's not mentioned in Scott's and I checked my 7th edition of the Stanley Gibbons Russia Specialized and it's not mentioned there either. There must be a catalog somewhere that does that kind of thing but I don't have it, someone in SoR probably does! I collect Canada as well and I'm pretty sure the Unitrade does most of the common Canadian errors. I'll have a look through later for missing colours to see what they go for, it might help give some kind of idea. The only Canada BoB I collect are the basic ones - phosphors, semi-postals, airmails, postage dues, special delivery, war tax and officials. In other words I collect the BoB in my Harris Album (cutoff 1988). That section is complete as is Canada after #33, except for the Port Hood provisionals!! Canada is so much easier than Russia! I also collect the provinces but am missing about 40 stamps. I do collect Newfoundland BoB but there are only about 100 of so. Someone collecting all Canada BoB stuff would have a huge job - there are thousands of the darn things!
Addition: Canada #537i-grey missing-$4000, Canada #534 - black missing - $$2000
I know there are many more and some are probably cheaper. What you need to find out is how often this happens with Russia stamps. If it is common then the prices will obviously be lower. I used to collect Canada errors. Common ones like the "missing bird on the totem pole" for number 572 is only about $200 and some are much cheaper or much more expensive. Missing colours are usually very expensive and rare! Good luck!

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Wigeon

15 Oct 2019
01:34:10am

re: Russia early stamps

Thank you Harvey. The Grenoble error is interesting and proving to be a mystery. I appreciate your checking on the relative values of missing colour errors for Canada and checking the Stanley Gibbons catalogue. Hopefully other SoR members will be able to suggest other references that might document this error.

I found this stamp in a box of material I purchased from the Bileski estate last year. He had a short note attached to the stamp stating that such errors in the USSR at that time were quite rare. He had an estimated value of $200 at that time but this was likely almost 50 years ago - although the note was not dated. Will continue to see if I can find any documentation about this error.

I also found several examples of the Red Army Soldier error in the box of Bileski material. This error is well documented in Scott and given a value of about $70—- in this stamp the regular value is 100k but the error stamp on the sheet is printed 70k. At the time Bikeski’s suggested value for this error was listed at $10 so since that time the value has increased 7 fold.

I have only two Canadian error stamps- one being smeared blue ink on the Canada goose stamp from the 1960’s. This one is not documented in Unitrade. I sold a block of 4 MNH with this error this past summer on the Weeda Stamp auction for just $100. I still have another block with this error.

I also have about 15 booklets of the Hanukkah stamp error that was printed and recalled almost immediately a few years ago. I think these are selling for only about $30-$70 per booklet. No one seems to know a lot about the reason for the recall on this stamp and in the reprinted stamps it was really only the stamp booklet cover that was altered and not the stamps themselves.

Again thank you Harvey- I’ll let you know if I can find anything more about the Grenoble error! Best regards.


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15 Oct 2019
06:26:44pm

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Siberia, Scott #1!

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Wigeon

15 Oct 2019
11:17:46pm

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Only valued at 60 cents but nice to have for sureHappy

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16 Oct 2019
11:02:14pm

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Still looking for that one in my #1's of the World!

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