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Horamakhet
17 Sep 2019
10:50:09pm
Hi to all

This is some of the 4500 used pre-decimal stamps that I got for a song.

So far I have sorted them into twelve temporary plastic boxes with sections, but there are still more stamps to sort into catagories.

After I am finished them I will check all the watermarks before putting them into stock books.

Why do I let myself get talked into buying items like this


Lots of Emus and Wallaroos as well

Sorry about the quality of the picture, as I had to photograph and cut and past.

Regards

Horamakhet

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Rob1956
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18 Sep 2019
09:27:01pm
re: 4500 PLUS USED PRE-DECIMALS

Hi Horamakhet

Adding the small stock book of emus, you have more than enough to start a sizeable farm. I am quite interested in the kangaroos, as these stamps are plagued with errors, common, scarce and rare.

And the spotted quoll (tiger cat on the stamp), there is a 1st and 2nd Master Plate and the typhoon retouch, other types of retouches and if the stamp is Helecon or not etc, etc.

Check all of the Coats-of-Arm (proper way of pronouncing the plural), as the £2 value is not the only stamp with the roller flaw, the entire 4 values are known to have them (including the specimens), and also any retouches.

Rob

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Horamakhet
19 Sep 2019
03:53:20am
re: 4500 PLUS USED PRE-DECIMALS

Hi Rob

Thanks for the information, it will keep me busy for a long time.

Nice to see that someone knows the correct terminology for words, its like Govenours General.

I was in Bunnings today and found some trays called Esy Storage, then will help me with sorting until I check the stamps and put them into stock books.

I saw an article on the internet the other day re stamp collecting and how it is becoming more popular.

Hope it does not lead to another 1970's bubble.

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Horamakhet

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Rob1956
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19 Sep 2019
06:37:09am
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Hi Horamakhet

You’re going to hate me for this, your terminology is correct but not the spelling, the correct spelling is Governors – General); I know, I know, SHUT-UP you meanie!

Those esy storage boxes do come in handy, I have a few. Do you know what the article was called? If it does lead to another 1970s bubble, there is going to be a lot of unscrupulous selling and a lot of people will be burnt; like the 2016 “Emergency” stamps (which are actually a label) were selling for thousands of dollars in 2016.

I warned people the market value was hyped up to a ludicrous value and those who spend thousands on them will soon feel the massive loss of their “future nest egg”; I was ignored, I was even relentlessly attacked on a forum by those profiting from the sales, and later after the hype died down I was proven correct.

The many who had paid thousands surely paid the ultimate price of a fool, one would now be lucky to sell them at a real stamp auction for more than $500 (I believe Status International recently sold a set for $500 at an after auction sale).

So if it does lead to another “bubble”, those caught up in the hype will not be listening to sound advice but by the thought of an imaginary golden egg and the vicious cycle will again claim victims.

Rob

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Horamakhet
19 Sep 2019
08:27:42pm
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Hi Rob

It was on a site called E news, it usually has an E icon on the bottom bar of most computers.

I have looked for it, but it seems to be missing. Maybe they took it down.

The last thing we want is another bubble. But unfortunately certain unscrupulous persons will try to inflate prices.

Sorry about the Hypen in Govenors-General, also I used the old English spelling. Too Many USA spellings are creeping into our language.

I have finally finished sorting the 4500, and next is the long task of checking watermarks, then after that varieties.

I am going to use a microscope to view the stamps on screen, it is so much easier finding varieties. Then I will double check with a 10X lens.

I am moving my library at present, as we have been doing renovations, and it is a long process. I have many heavy bookcases to move, and more that 6000 books.

I will be glad when it is finished.


I suppose I better get back to moving bookcases and books, before my wife decides she wants help with painting the lounge room. She prefers to do the painting as she says I don't do it properly.

One way of not doing painting.

Regards

Horamakhet


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19 Sep 2019
11:36:50pm
re: 4500 PLUS USED PRE-DECIMALS

Hi Horamakhet

“Governors-General” is the correct spelling and pronunciation; and yes, the US spelling is gradually infiltrating Australian English (and yes there is such a thing).

A friend of mine Nabuko Nikada (Japanese – pronounced Nar-bue-koe Ni-kar-dar) said to me once that Australian English will open many doors around the world and wanted me to teach her Australian English which I did along with the slang; it was a very difficult job and there are some words that were quite difficult such as double vowels, the impossible word was Woolloomooloo in Sydney and Woolloongabba in Brisbane.

She also said that the Japanese language you see at souvenir stores in Sydney and other parts of Australia is not traditional Japanese, but Americanised Japanese which she finds hard to read (and that is from someone who was born and raised in Japan).

4,500 stamps is around the same figure as the ½d roos I have, many from a very in-depth project on the ½d roos from 1938-1966 that I bought a year or two ago.

The microscope is a very valuable tool, I use mine with the powerful loupe I just purchased, make detection, recording and documenting much easier.

My late father taught me how to paint; he was a professional and taught me everything about the trade, but as my health is not crash hot these days painting never took off.

All the large areas, cupboard spaces and all the book cases had been “acquired” by Victoria’s art books, art equipment and paintings (oil, acrylic, charcoal, ink, pencil, crayons), she is very, very good, she has a distinction in her arts degree.

Where there is ignorance there will always be the chance of a bubble arising out of the ashes.

I’ll see if I can find the story on E news.

Rob

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Kapul
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19 Sep 2019
11:38:44pm
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Rob,
As I'm not a collector of Australia I presume the "Emergencies" you were talking about were the Adelaide counter printed labels. Just after news first broke about these I had a mad idea that I would buy a set and put away for a rainy day - then I saw how the prices were rising dramatically - yet they still seemed to be for sale every where!!

Somewhere I read an article or on a forum ( might have been you),that they were very over rated,so I shied away from them - glad I did.

Has there ever seen an official number put on the amount printed?

HORAMAKHET I don't know how old you are now but you are going to be old after you have checked that lot for watermarks and varieties.LaughingWinking

Kapul





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Rob1956
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20 Sep 2019
12:36:41am
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Hi Kapul

You’re correct, I am referring to the Adelaide emergency issues, they were printed in that city as a result of the sudden 30 cent rise in postage from 70 cents to $1.00.

You did a very wise thing not obtaining them as you saved yourself from the embarrassment and depression knowing you had made a very big financial blunder. Even Stanley Gibbons refused to add the issues to their catalogue as they mentioned they do not deal with labels.

It was my article that you would have read, as I had uploaded the information on numerous forums; there is no official number as far as I know, but they are not scarce and many dealers will not even to this day touch them, I will find out the official quantity issued though.

Rob


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Horamakhet
20 Sep 2019
03:10:02am
re: 4500 PLUS USED PRE-DECIMALS

Hi Kapul and Rob and others

Age, lets say that I have seen at least Eight Popes ascend the throne of St. Peters.
and I tell people that I remember the last conflict between the Indian Nations and the US Cavalry was in 1917.

By my statements you probably realize that I am an Historian.

As for the emergency stamps in Adelaide, some would have us believe that they are the rarest Australian Stamps ever printed.

You can do no better than listen to Rob's advice, and I am talking from experience.

I have made some amazing changes to the way I collect stamps due to his advice.

This forum has the most knowledgeable Philatelists in Australia, and I am always open to advice.

Never stop learning, always listen to advice, and don't be afraid to put forward ideas that you may have.

Regards

HOramakhet

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