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michael78651
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20 Aug 2019
03:13:57pm
If you have stamps that have been authenticated by a competent authority, and have a certificate to show regardless if the stamp was found to be genuine or not, please share a good, clear copy of it in this thread. This will become a sort of reference collection of authenticated stamps.
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04 Sep 2019
03:37:22am
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A 1943 RPSL certificate for a forgery of Falkland Islands SG13a or 14a

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04 Sep 2019
03:50:29am

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Germany, 1919, Michel 105a.
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04 Sep 2019
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Germany, 1919, Michel 109 II (variety). Dot on Oval between first 1 and 9 of 1919.

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04 Sep 2019
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I received this letter with a "post office" sheet of Canada #587, Caricatures definitive series showing previous Prime Minister Sir Wilfrid Laurier. The plate info has been trimmed, and has no gum on the back, or front. I bought it in the late 70's, early 80's. I can't remember how much I paid for it. I'd post a photo, but it is just a sheet without gum.

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04 Sep 2019
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Germany, 1920, Michel 115d.

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04 Sep 2019
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Germany, 1923, Michel 244c.

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04 Sep 2019
11:33:33am
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Gambia

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Zanzibar

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04 Sep 2019
05:57:53pm
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Would it be possible to set this up as a separate Topic and then have all of the certificates listed alphabetically by country? This could be set up much like the auctions where each country can be listed individually.

It would also be very good to have a separate image of the certified stamp, large in size. If the image is sharp and large, it could be used as a way to judge whether one's own stamp has a good chance of being authentic. If find the pictures of the stamps on the certificates to be not useful in this regard.

This would probably entail a lot of work on one person's part, but the result could be very useful. I would certainly find it useful. Since I am now selling worldwide stamps, I could use such a library to help weed out forgeries without having to send them off to the APS for their examination. As an example, I have been working through a few of the first issues of Guatemala, with most described in Scott as having been heavily forged. The catalog values are too low to justify having them authenticated.

If there is already an library similar to this available online, I would like to know about it. There are just so many issues that have been forged that it makes it difficult to determine whether your own stamps are authentic when you don't have an authentic copy as a comparison.

I have a number of additional certificates that can be posted. I will be sending more stamps off to the APS for examination before I list them for sale. In most cases it will be stamps having a catalog value of at least $200 and noted in Scott as being forged or their overprints being forged. I will also have stamps examined that appear to have Mint-Never-Hinged gum and have a high catalog value.

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04 Sep 2019
06:30:24pm
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We do not have another location on this site where we have such a library. There are many sites that show forgeries and genuine stamps.

My idea was similar to what you're suggesting. I did not expect to see so many certificates listed so quickly. That's great, by the way. I think the idea of also including a picture of the associated stamp (front and back as one person has done) is a good idea.

I have asked our Web Wizard if it is possible to force this thread to remain at the top of this topic so that it doesn't get lost as new threads are created. I don't know if this can be done. It is all contingent on the site's programming. We shall see what he thinks/says.

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04 Sep 2019
07:13:03pm
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"As an example, I have been working through a few of the first issues of Guatemala, with most described in Scott as having been heavily forged. The catalog values are too low to justify having them authenticated"



For early issues, Earee is highly recommended. This book has saved me a lot of money on certificates http://www.stormthecastle.com/stamp-collecting/free-books/Album_weeds_or_How_to_detect_forged_stam.pdf

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04 Sep 2019
08:47:09pm
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I just did a quick Google search for Guatemala stamp forgeries and came up with a lot of hits. The site I found the best was as follows:

http://stampforgeries.com/

Nice clear and large pictures of the stamps. Happily, my first issue Guatemala stamps appear to be authentic. When I list them for sale, I will include a link within the auction description so that a potential buyer can go to this site and check out the authentic versus forged examples. They can make up their own mind whether the stamp is authentic.

The one area where I have been searching for help is on the overprinted French Equatorial Africa airmail stamps. There are two high values that are noted in Scott as having forged overprints. I tried getting expert opinions on them from the APS, but they don't have an expert in the area of French colonies to render an opinion. No hits when performing a Google search. Any ideas other than just a comparison to the other stamps from this set assuming that their overprints are authentic?

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05 Sep 2019
12:40:11am
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05 Sep 2019
04:17:39am

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Germany, Michel 226aU, imperforated pair.

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05 Sep 2019
04:27:32am

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Danzig, Michel 16 I, Plate flaw ( Brocken "5")on the center stamp.

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05 Sep 2019
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Danzig, Michel 178 U, imperforated pair.

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05 Sep 2019
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Germany, 1920, 40pf (2x), Michel 145 F, off-color (porous print).

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05 Sep 2019
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Germany 1919, Michel 104c (color variety)from cylinder print.

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08 Sep 2019
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07 Oct 2019
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1921 , Mi.159b (color variety)Blackish olive. WMK. lozenges.

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07 Oct 2019
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1922, Mi.204 2S, Gutter pair, Color variety (Red on Pink). This color can variety can also be identified by the gum which has horizontal waves.

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08 Oct 2019
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15 Feb 2020
12:43:22am
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Papua New Guinea 1960 SG.D1
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15 Feb 2020
05:32:40am
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A bit of background on this stamp. To understand what it is, you first need to understand how the Washington/Franklin stamps of the era were perforated. Most W/F flat plate stamps were printed and gummed in sheets of 400 and then perforated and cut into 4 panes of 100 for distribution to the post offices. The sheets looked like this

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In 1914 the Bureau of Engraving and Printing made a changeover to perf 10 from perf 12. The perforation process involved use of straight-line perforating and separation equipment. Each machine had a set of perforating pin and die wheels and center cutting wheel, so in one pass either the horizontal or vertical perforations were produced and the sheet slit in half. These half-sheets were then fed into a second perforating machine, completing the process of perforating the subjects and separating the sheets into 100-subject panes.

At the time, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing and the USPOD did not consider the gauge of the perforation important beyond whatever made the stamps easiest to separate. So within the few weeks it took to transition from perf 10 to perf 12, a few sheets of each the 1¢, 2¢ and 5¢ issues received perf 10 in one direction and perf 12 in the other. These are not considered ‘errors’ and are exceedingly rare.

The 423B shown here is one of 33 known and I found it misidentified and hiding among a collection I purchased out of Europe. Because compound perforation stamps are so rare, they are often faked by reperforating part of the stamp. I assumed this to be the case but held on to the stamp as reference and marked it as ‘fake’ for a number of years. It was only when one day after I made a high resolution scan that I revisited the legitimacy of the stamp and decided to send it in for a cert. At the time, this stamp had a catalog value of $25,000; lightning had stuck and the stamp came back as real.

While one of the best finds I had made, this had occurred in the middle of my battle with cancer and kidney failure. Forced into retirement and having made a significant impact to the family savings with nearly $2 million spent on my healthcare, my wife told me the furnace needed replacement. So while lying in the hospital bed I made arrangement for this stamp to be sold at auction so she would not have to be concerned about this unexpected expense. The stamp was sold at a Siegel auction and added to their census as Census No. 423B-CAN-33.

I do miss having this stamp as a center piece of my collection but to be honest I do not regret the decision at all. I was able to remove a bit of stress from my wife at a time where she was dealing with a lot of pressure.
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17 Feb 2020
01:04:53pm
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Faroe Scott # 1 Forged Overprint.

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17 Feb 2020
01:16:10pm
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Japan Scott # 1 Counterfeit

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dell4c
18 Feb 2020
12:38:09am

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Does the aps charge the same fee for a determination of a fake?

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nigelc
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18 Feb 2020
09:55:54am
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It's fascinating to see the different styles of certificate.

Note how the RPS distinguishes positive certificates with one signature on the certificate from negative ones which have multiple signatures.

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18 Feb 2020
09:59:22am
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Hi dell4c,

From the APS web site:

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"No opinions: a refund is provided if an item is returned to the owner without an opinion by the committee, less an $8 administrative fee.

Items where the original fee is above $30 (or $50 for non-APS members): if an item is determined by APEX to be a counterfeit or identified as a less expensive item, the fee is adjusted to a minimum of $30 (or $50 for non-APS members) and a refund for the difference is provided."



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dell4c
18 Feb 2020
11:40:49am

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Youch!!! Thanks for the info, kinda of a double whammy, its fake, $30 please.

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Harvey
18 Feb 2020
11:51:50am
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I'm confused about something. I quite often see stamps on sites with certificates where the stamps are only "worth" (CV) about $50. To me that seems to be a huge waste of money or the certificate itself is a fake. I would not have a stamp authenticated unless the selling price was at least $200. Any comments?

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18 Feb 2020
07:57:32pm
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Diego-Suarez Scott #7 Used Genuine

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18 Feb 2020
08:00:51pm
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"I'm confused about something. I quite often see stamps on sites with certificates where the stamps are only "worth" (CV) about $50. To me that seems to be a huge waste of money or the certificate itself is a fake. I would not have a stamp authenticated unless the selling price was at least $200. Any comments?"



Folks sometimes go fishing for a grade or cert hoping for a higher value variety. When the cert comes back unfavorable, they go ahead and list the stamp with the cert since it was already paid for. Additionally certs are simply an opinion and they definitely have a ‘shelf life’. Over time the continuous growth in the knowledgebase, technological advances, and changes to the grading criteria tend to make older certifications obsolete.

The ugly side of certs is that it is possible to submit the same stamp over time for multiple certs and discard those which are unfavorable and retain only those which support a higher value stamp. Dealers and auction houses have no real incentive or responsibility to search for older certs but it is not uncommon for a hobbyists to do a deeper search and uncover previous certs which call out faults or dispute the ID of a stamp.
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