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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Germany #204 with interesting cancel

 

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philb
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19 Aug 2019
04:18:50pm

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This postmark has Bahnpost in it...railroad cancel ?Image Not Found

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michael78651

19 Aug 2019
04:35:13pm
re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

Yes, it's a railroad cancel. It is probably from a parcel. It was carried on Train 434. The two town names on the cancel will be the route that the train ran.

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19 Aug 2019
05:22:24pm

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Thanks trainman !

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19 Aug 2019
06:38:41pm
re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

Nice cancel Phil. Happy

The stations appear to be

- Rothfliess (Rothfließ) (now Czerwonka) and

- Rudczanny (now Ruciane)

both at that time in East Prussia and now in Poland.

Czerwonka is a little to the north east of Ostzsyn (Allenstein) and Ruciane is further east in the Masurian Lakes.


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michael78651

19 Aug 2019
06:41:07pm
re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

...and Nigelpedia rounds it out quite nicely!

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19 Aug 2019
07:05:10pm
re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

Thanks Michael!

I tried to find a route map and this is the best I've found.

From Olsztyn (third rectangle from the left in the bottom row) follow the black railway line north east towards Biskupiec.

Czerwonka appears to be on the line from Biskupiec north towards Jezoriany. I wonder if it was at the junction of the two branch lines?

Ruciane is now part of a larger town called Ruciane Nida and this is shown in the next rectangle to the right just below Ukta.

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Thanks for the entertainment Phil. Happy

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19 Aug 2019
07:07:01pm

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re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

you guys scare me...but to change the subject...when you get to look at items that have been stored away 50/60 years...stamp values have gone up...i am not counting inflation.

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jmh67

26 Aug 2019
04:22:19am
re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

Just could not resist looking up the towns and railway lines on Wikipedia. Rothfließ was indeed the junction of the lines to Allenstein, Heilsberg, Korschen, and Lyck. It was the latter one that the train must have travelled, but not all the way. At Sensburg the line to Rudczanny branched off. The latter was closed already in 1945, and hence does not appear on the post-war map.

Usually, German railway postmarks look the same for both directions of travel (i.e. the place names are not swapped around), and the direction can only be identified from the train number. Even numbers were used for trains travelling from east to west and from south to north, so this cancel was apparently used on a Rudcanny - Rothfließ train.

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26 Aug 2019
10:26:53am

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Its the first of the type that i had ever seen...just been used to the common German cancels . Now if i can just remember what i did with it.Sad

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michael78651

19 Aug 2019
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re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

Yes, it's a railroad cancel. It is probably from a parcel. It was carried on Train 434. The two town names on the cancel will be the route that the train ran.

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philb

19 Aug 2019
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Thanks trainman !

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nigelc

19 Aug 2019
06:38:41pm

re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

Nice cancel Phil. Happy

The stations appear to be

- Rothfliess (Rothfließ) (now Czerwonka) and

- Rudczanny (now Ruciane)

both at that time in East Prussia and now in Poland.

Czerwonka is a little to the north east of Ostzsyn (Allenstein) and Ruciane is further east in the Masurian Lakes.


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michael78651

19 Aug 2019
06:41:07pm

re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

...and Nigelpedia rounds it out quite nicely!

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nigelc

19 Aug 2019
07:05:10pm

re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

Thanks Michael!

I tried to find a route map and this is the best I've found.

From Olsztyn (third rectangle from the left in the bottom row) follow the black railway line north east towards Biskupiec.

Czerwonka appears to be on the line from Biskupiec north towards Jezoriany. I wonder if it was at the junction of the two branch lines?

Ruciane is now part of a larger town called Ruciane Nida and this is shown in the next rectangle to the right just below Ukta.

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Thanks for the entertainment Phil. Happy

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philb

19 Aug 2019
07:07:01pm

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re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

you guys scare me...but to change the subject...when you get to look at items that have been stored away 50/60 years...stamp values have gone up...i am not counting inflation.

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jmh67

26 Aug 2019
04:22:19am

re: Germany #204 with interesting cancel

Just could not resist looking up the towns and railway lines on Wikipedia. Rothfließ was indeed the junction of the lines to Allenstein, Heilsberg, Korschen, and Lyck. It was the latter one that the train must have travelled, but not all the way. At Sensburg the line to Rudczanny branched off. The latter was closed already in 1945, and hence does not appear on the post-war map.

Usually, German railway postmarks look the same for both directions of travel (i.e. the place names are not swapped around), and the direction can only be identified from the train number. Even numbers were used for trains travelling from east to west and from south to north, so this cancel was apparently used on a Rudcanny - Rothfließ train.

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26 Aug 2019
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Its the first of the type that i had ever seen...just been used to the common German cancels . Now if i can just remember what i did with it.Sad

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