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I recently joined this forum and read a lot of interesting messages.
I noticed that different people do not know exactly what the expert- (Prüfer-) signs at the back of the stamps mean.
Well, with this post I will try to give some clarification.
There are different experts and each has its own specialization.
Some examples are :
Dr. Dub
Heinz Grabowski
Paul Peter Jäschke
Dr. Oertel
Eduard Peschl
Schlegel BPP
Hans Dieter Schlegel
Dr. Simon
Hermann Ritter
Velimir Ercegovic
Heinz Jungjohann
Gerhard Krischke
Werner Pickenpack
Hermann Sieger
Walter Zirath
....
And many, many more
There is a strong protocol how to place the signs.
Below you can see how the experts place their signs on the stamp :
1) Stamps without overprint (Perforation, Puncture, Without perforation)
2) Stamps with overprint (Perforation, Puncture, Without perforation)
3) Specimen
4) Stamps with issues (Small defects, Big flaws)
Hope this article gives you some clarity.
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09:44:53am
"Perforation, Puncture, Without perforation"
What does "puncture" mean? In English, we would interpret that as "a hole in the stamp", i.e. a fault.
And what does "BPP" stand for?
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And some samples below :
A. Schlegel
Dr. Dub
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BPP = Bund Philatelistischer Prüfer
Puncture : in german is the term DURCHSTICH
Do not no the english word, sorry
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10:09:17am
DURCHSTICH = roulette
Germany Serrate Roulette
Chile roulette block
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Thanks,
Never to old to learn..............
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Good post but what do the snowflakes/circles beneath the stamps mean? Used/unused? The actual stamp illustrations used only show the mark on one side, does this mean they are unused or used.
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** means mint condition. The marking is only placed on left side.
* means unused. The marking is only placed on left side side.
(.) means used. The marking is only placed on the right side.
When the stamp has a flaw the marking will be placed higher on the stamp.
The greater the flaw the higher the signing.
Get it ??
See the examples in post 3
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https://www.filatelia.fi/experts/namesa.html
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Well on a special request........
Expert sign of Prof. Rudolf Gilbert :
The good one.
And the forged ones.
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Hello HockeyNut
I saw stamps with sign of expert BPP and a letter.It's usualy to inscript by expert the variety color? or is the fake ?
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I do not understand what you mean ?
Do you have a letter (with stamps) and on that letter a sign of the expert?
Or
Do you have a stamp (with on the back a sign of the expert) AND a certificate of that expert in which he describs that stamp?
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Sorry for my english.
For me,letter=character=a,b,c,d,e....
I found on net an example:
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Gerom, what you marked beside the experts name is the variety of the stamp by Michel catalog
Manfred
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Well gerom,
The expert sign is from Michael Jäschke - Lantelme
That Ib in front of the sign could handle about 1 stamp of several stamps
For instance you have the GERMANIA stamps.
In the Michel we have 2 major differences :
Friedensdruck ( Peace printing ) which is shown by the romian I
Kriegsdruck ( War printing ) which is shown by the romian II
And besides that we have a 10 Pfg Germania stamp with 4 different colors (a,b,c or d)
So to give the right stamp in the catalog you could have Michel Nr 86 I b
And the expert places a note before this sign that it handles about that particular stamp
Michel number 86 Ib
(by the way that stamp is worth about 14 euros NH)
If we talk about Michel Nr 86 Id it would be 500 euros.
Got it?
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I'll give this thread a nudge. I used to use the website mentioned above, but it appears to, sadly, be no more.
This MAHR BPP looks good to me, but I'd appreciate some feedback if someone knows for sure.
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You can find many experts here:
https://www.briefmarken-atteste.de/attes ...
Max Mahr is no longer on the BPP list (I think he died??)
I found what his mark looks like on the back of the stamps:
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Thank you so much Gerom. I checked the BPP site first and noticed he wasn't there. It appears that my stamp was indeed expertised by him. The new link is wonderful, and I'm delighted to see an item I purchased a certificate for, and sold, shown there!
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Hello, I'm new on Stamporama, maybe someone is able to help me with the positioning of the BPP mark on the back of this Mi: DD43 stamp. Being in the centre and part way up the stamp, HockeyNut's illustrations suggest it's a specimen with a big flaw?
Maybe the German writing also on the back of the stamp will explain, if anyone can read and translate it?
Another question I have about this stamp is it's the Black Blue Green version with perforation line 11. Now as far as I can tell this means it could either be Mi: DD43C, or Mi: DD43DIIb (Coswig issue II), both have perforation line 11. Does anyone know how to tell which it is? Again maybe that German writing can help.
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Welcome to Stamporama,
the German text says "fake cancellation" and "private perforation", so likely a reperforated stamp.
The signature across indicates not just a major flaw but rather that the is fake in part or completely. I believe Bodo Ströh is the expert and he is still active
Hope that helps.
Best,
Chris
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Thanks Chris,
I think that helps. I guess the 'fake cancellation' could be regarded as a big flaw and it looks like the stamp itself may also be fake.
'Private perforation' makes sense; as I understand it these stamps were supplied to post offices in the East Saxony area of the Soviet Zone (Allied Occupation) as imperforated sheets and some post offices then perforated them with their own 'private' perforation. Assuming that the stamp is not a fake itself.
Kind regards, Graham.
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Hello all,
I recently joined this forum and read a lot of interesting messages.
I noticed that different people do not know exactly what the expert- (Prüfer-) signs at the back of the stamps mean.
Well, with this post I will try to give some clarification.
There are different experts and each has its own specialization.
Some examples are :
Dr. Dub
Heinz Grabowski
Paul Peter Jäschke
Dr. Oertel
Eduard Peschl
Schlegel BPP
Hans Dieter Schlegel
Dr. Simon
Hermann Ritter
Velimir Ercegovic
Heinz Jungjohann
Gerhard Krischke
Werner Pickenpack
Hermann Sieger
Walter Zirath
....
And many, many more
There is a strong protocol how to place the signs.
Below you can see how the experts place their signs on the stamp :
1) Stamps without overprint (Perforation, Puncture, Without perforation)
2) Stamps with overprint (Perforation, Puncture, Without perforation)
3) Specimen
4) Stamps with issues (Small defects, Big flaws)
Hope this article gives you some clarity.
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13 Aug 2019
09:44:53am
re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
"Perforation, Puncture, Without perforation"
What does "puncture" mean? In English, we would interpret that as "a hole in the stamp", i.e. a fault.
And what does "BPP" stand for?
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And some samples below :
A. Schlegel
Dr. Dub
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re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
BPP = Bund Philatelistischer Prüfer
Puncture : in german is the term DURCHSTICH
Do not no the english word, sorry
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10:09:17am
re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
DURCHSTICH = roulette
Germany Serrate Roulette
Chile roulette block
Roy
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Thanks,
Never to old to learn..............
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re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
Good post but what do the snowflakes/circles beneath the stamps mean? Used/unused? The actual stamp illustrations used only show the mark on one side, does this mean they are unused or used.
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re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
** means mint condition. The marking is only placed on left side.
* means unused. The marking is only placed on left side side.
(.) means used. The marking is only placed on the right side.
When the stamp has a flaw the marking will be placed higher on the stamp.
The greater the flaw the higher the signing.
Get it ??
See the examples in post 3
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re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
https://www.filatelia.fi/experts/namesa.html
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re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
Well on a special request........
Expert sign of Prof. Rudolf Gilbert :
The good one.
And the forged ones.
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04:07:53am
re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
Hello HockeyNut
I saw stamps with sign of expert BPP and a letter.It's usualy to inscript by expert the variety color? or is the fake ?
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re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
I do not understand what you mean ?
Do you have a letter (with stamps) and on that letter a sign of the expert?
Or
Do you have a stamp (with on the back a sign of the expert) AND a certificate of that expert in which he describs that stamp?
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11:54:08am
re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
Sorry for my english.
For me,letter=character=a,b,c,d,e....
I found on net an example:
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01:29:50pm
re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
Gerom, what you marked beside the experts name is the variety of the stamp by Michel catalog
Manfred
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re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
Well gerom,
The expert sign is from Michael Jäschke - Lantelme
That Ib in front of the sign could handle about 1 stamp of several stamps
For instance you have the GERMANIA stamps.
In the Michel we have 2 major differences :
Friedensdruck ( Peace printing ) which is shown by the romian I
Kriegsdruck ( War printing ) which is shown by the romian II
And besides that we have a 10 Pfg Germania stamp with 4 different colors (a,b,c or d)
So to give the right stamp in the catalog you could have Michel Nr 86 I b
And the expert places a note before this sign that it handles about that particular stamp
Michel number 86 Ib
(by the way that stamp is worth about 14 euros NH)
If we talk about Michel Nr 86 Id it would be 500 euros.
Got it?
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re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
I'll give this thread a nudge. I used to use the website mentioned above, but it appears to, sadly, be no more.
This MAHR BPP looks good to me, but I'd appreciate some feedback if someone knows for sure.
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10:01:51am
re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
You can find many experts here:
https://www.briefmarken-atteste.de/attes ...
Max Mahr is no longer on the BPP list (I think he died??)
I found what his mark looks like on the back of the stamps:
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re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
Thank you so much Gerom. I checked the BPP site first and noticed he wasn't there. It appears that my stamp was indeed expertised by him. The new link is wonderful, and I'm delighted to see an item I purchased a certificate for, and sold, shown there!
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01:04:36pm
re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
Hello, I'm new on Stamporama, maybe someone is able to help me with the positioning of the BPP mark on the back of this Mi: DD43 stamp. Being in the centre and part way up the stamp, HockeyNut's illustrations suggest it's a specimen with a big flaw?
Maybe the German writing also on the back of the stamp will explain, if anyone can read and translate it?
Another question I have about this stamp is it's the Black Blue Green version with perforation line 11. Now as far as I can tell this means it could either be Mi: DD43C, or Mi: DD43DIIb (Coswig issue II), both have perforation line 11. Does anyone know how to tell which it is? Again maybe that German writing can help.
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04:56:33pm
re: BPP marks on backside of stamps
Welcome to Stamporama,
the German text says "fake cancellation" and "private perforation", so likely a reperforated stamp.
The signature across indicates not just a major flaw but rather that the is fake in part or completely. I believe Bodo Ströh is the expert and he is still active
Hope that helps.
Best,
Chris
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05:24:42pm
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Thanks Chris,
I think that helps. I guess the 'fake cancellation' could be regarded as a big flaw and it looks like the stamp itself may also be fake.
'Private perforation' makes sense; as I understand it these stamps were supplied to post offices in the East Saxony area of the Soviet Zone (Allied Occupation) as imperforated sheets and some post offices then perforated them with their own 'private' perforation. Assuming that the stamp is not a fake itself.
Kind regards, Graham.
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