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Would it have gone out on the next ship? On the back there is a "Registered Perth" CDS even though the registration label is from Broome.
Would love to know how the rate was figured - it must be a rather unique rate...
Thanks for any light that can be shed - I don't really know where to start .
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I confess to knowing next to nothing about Autralian mails but I like a puzzle. Here's my guess. It flew from Broome to Perth to connect with the Mongolia via Fremantle . The Pennisular and Orient's RMS Mongolia ports of call were London, Gibraltar, Marseilles, Port Said, Aden, Bombay, Colombo, Fremantle, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney (according to www.timetableimages.com). I'd guess the item was received to late to connect with Fremantle and there was a further fee to send it to Adelaide, Melbourne or Sydney.
OK That won't fly. On November 11, 1929 RMS Mongolia departed Fremantle for Colombo. The next sailing was the Maldera on November 25. (From the Western Australian Nov 11, 1929). The SS Barrabool departed November 14 (also a P & O) ship but listed as branch line, but bound for Colombo etc as well. I'm sure the extra fee has something to do with getting it to the Mongolia either via next port of call or perhaps there was a process for getting late mails to the ship underway.
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Late fees were charged when the sender of a cover wants it sent on that day's ship or train but mailed it after the deadline by which all such mail would be accepted. Once the late fee was paid, a special trip was made to carry the late fee mail to the ship or train before the departure time.
In this case I think the transport method in question was a ship that would take the mail from Broome to Perth. This would also explain the Perth registered marking which would have been required as the registered item passed through their post office.
Example: All mail for today's outgoing ship has a deadline of 4PM. It is not departing until 8PM. Between 4PM and 7PM, the post office will still accept mail to be sent by the ship leaving that day but a late fee is charged and a postal worker is sent down to the ship at 7pm with all the late mail so that it can be placed on board the ship before the scheduled 8PM departure.
I don't know if the shipping line the ship belonged to got a cut of the late mail fee, but that would make sense if that is the case.
Many countries used late fees but for some reason, the USA post office did not.
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Here is a cover from New Zealand charging a late fee. Here we have the advantage that the cancel has a time on it, the time being 5:30PM (after normal business hours).
Yes, the late fee was one pence, and the postage was one pence. It does not say so on the cover overtly, but this was printed matter which went at an inexpensive rate of one pence.
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Given smauggies info about the fee I would say it was late to the airplane. Since it was aerial mail and Broome being 2400 km's or so from Perth that probably explains the time gap.
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Thanks everyone - if only covers could talk although the markings do a decent job ... still ... this is what I love about postal history ..
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One last bit I discovered. The aerial mail by Western Australia Ltd departed Perth every Wednesday on route to Derby and returning with the mails every monday - nov 11 being a Monday. Interestingly now that I think of it of course november 11 would have been a holiday which may enter into the issue as well. The only noted shipping service to Broome was a roundtrip that sailed outbound to Singapore on Nov 10 and looks like it was on a 2 week departure schedule and roundtrip of 6 weeks or so.
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Can someone explain what the "late fee added" notation at upper left means? It obviously didn't work as per the note at lower right it was received too late to connect with the RMS Mongolia. Or was the late fee added at the port ?
Would it have gone out on the next ship? On the back there is a "Registered Perth" CDS even though the registration label is from Broome.
Would love to know how the rate was figured - it must be a rather unique rate...
Thanks for any light that can be shed - I don't really know where to start .
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re: Aerial Mail - registered Western Australia to England via ship markings - 1929
I confess to knowing next to nothing about Autralian mails but I like a puzzle. Here's my guess. It flew from Broome to Perth to connect with the Mongolia via Fremantle . The Pennisular and Orient's RMS Mongolia ports of call were London, Gibraltar, Marseilles, Port Said, Aden, Bombay, Colombo, Fremantle, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney (according to www.timetableimages.com). I'd guess the item was received to late to connect with Fremantle and there was a further fee to send it to Adelaide, Melbourne or Sydney.
OK That won't fly. On November 11, 1929 RMS Mongolia departed Fremantle for Colombo. The next sailing was the Maldera on November 25. (From the Western Australian Nov 11, 1929). The SS Barrabool departed November 14 (also a P & O) ship but listed as branch line, but bound for Colombo etc as well. I'm sure the extra fee has something to do with getting it to the Mongolia either via next port of call or perhaps there was a process for getting late mails to the ship underway.
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re: Aerial Mail - registered Western Australia to England via ship markings - 1929
Late fees were charged when the sender of a cover wants it sent on that day's ship or train but mailed it after the deadline by which all such mail would be accepted. Once the late fee was paid, a special trip was made to carry the late fee mail to the ship or train before the departure time.
In this case I think the transport method in question was a ship that would take the mail from Broome to Perth. This would also explain the Perth registered marking which would have been required as the registered item passed through their post office.
Example: All mail for today's outgoing ship has a deadline of 4PM. It is not departing until 8PM. Between 4PM and 7PM, the post office will still accept mail to be sent by the ship leaving that day but a late fee is charged and a postal worker is sent down to the ship at 7pm with all the late mail so that it can be placed on board the ship before the scheduled 8PM departure.
I don't know if the shipping line the ship belonged to got a cut of the late mail fee, but that would make sense if that is the case.
Many countries used late fees but for some reason, the USA post office did not.
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re: Aerial Mail - registered Western Australia to England via ship markings - 1929
Here is a cover from New Zealand charging a late fee. Here we have the advantage that the cancel has a time on it, the time being 5:30PM (after normal business hours).
Yes, the late fee was one pence, and the postage was one pence. It does not say so on the cover overtly, but this was printed matter which went at an inexpensive rate of one pence.
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re: Aerial Mail - registered Western Australia to England via ship markings - 1929
Given smauggies info about the fee I would say it was late to the airplane. Since it was aerial mail and Broome being 2400 km's or so from Perth that probably explains the time gap.
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re: Aerial Mail - registered Western Australia to England via ship markings - 1929
Thanks everyone - if only covers could talk although the markings do a decent job ... still ... this is what I love about postal history ..
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re: Aerial Mail - registered Western Australia to England via ship markings - 1929
One last bit I discovered. The aerial mail by Western Australia Ltd departed Perth every Wednesday on route to Derby and returning with the mails every monday - nov 11 being a Monday. Interestingly now that I think of it of course november 11 would have been a holiday which may enter into the issue as well. The only noted shipping service to Broome was a roundtrip that sailed outbound to Singapore on Nov 10 and looks like it was on a 2 week departure schedule and roundtrip of 6 weeks or so.
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