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Latin America/All : Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

 

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will

21 Jul 2019
09:19:36pm
I started to move my recently acquired Colombia collection to its new home and I think I already made my first mistake: I'm using Bill Steiner's pages for it and the states seem to be incomplete/simplified Sad I think I'm going to end up printing my own pages.

But first things first. The fist state I'm moving is Antioquia and every source I've checked describes its stamps very differently. I've used: Scott 1945, 1926, Temprano 1984 and StampWorld.com

This is what I have, but I'm not sure in what order they should go:

- First row: Pelure paper. Now, both Temprano and Scott describes the 10 centavos as Violet. My first assumption is that mine's a fake, but I haven't found good descriptions for these pieces yet
- Second row: Vertical laid paper.
- Third and fourth rows: Wove paper. I have a feeling one of those 20 centavos is a fake.
- Fifth row: Wove paper.
- Sixth row: Horizontal laid paper.
- Last row: vertical laid paper.

I'm assuming they used the same paper for each series in which case I guess this grouping should be close to what should be. I just don't know the exact order or arrangement.

Here's the image (larger version here):
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Scott lists 6 series, Temprano 5. Temprano says that some of my pieces in wove paper should be on laid paper, Scott has them listed in wove matching my pieces... and so on.

Can someone help me figure out what do I have here?
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22 Jul 2019
01:43:26pm
re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

The 10c comes in 2 issues
A rare and expensive 10c Violet in 1882
A much less expensive 10c Scarlet in 1883

1883 Scarlet 10c
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Your 10c
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I do not have a plating sample but yours is probably real

I will look at the possible forgeries later.

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will

22 Jul 2019
05:08:30pm
re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

Thanks SForgCa! So Violet is not really Violet, is it? Based on my color gauge it is more carmine than violet. And the one that is supposedly scarlett is, based on the same color gauge -an old Wonder one, rose pink.

That was what threw me off on those pieces. The color was so different!

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will

22 Jul 2019
08:06:02pm
re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

Oh wait... So I have two copies of the 1883 Scarlett. But they are on different papers. The one you cropped (thanks) is on pelure paper while the second one is on wove paper:
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And I have this 10c on something more similar to violet... I assume from 1882. It is on vertical laid paper.
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23 Jul 2019
09:44:55am
re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

I have a newer Temprano but Antioquia and other departments are not covered for some reason??
Michel South America Specialized 2015 is complete
The Scarlet 10c is noted as being on wove paper only value about $3 used - dated 1882
The 10c violet is on laid paper value $80 used and dated 1882

Based on the genuine image from a collector (right) it certainly appears genuine
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will

24 Jul 2019
09:26:18pm
re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

Thanks SForgCa! you helped me solved two mysteries!

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will

27 Jul 2019
03:11:59pm
re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

Ok, based on the literature I have, and the help SForgCa gave me, I think I've cleaned at least most of my mess.

Here's the final result:
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As usual, I rushed to mount the page... and then I noticed I missed one value Sad Here's the final page (so far!):
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will

21 Jul 2019
09:19:36pm

I started to move my recently acquired Colombia collection to its new home and I think I already made my first mistake: I'm using Bill Steiner's pages for it and the states seem to be incomplete/simplified Sad I think I'm going to end up printing my own pages.

But first things first. The fist state I'm moving is Antioquia and every source I've checked describes its stamps very differently. I've used: Scott 1945, 1926, Temprano 1984 and StampWorld.com

This is what I have, but I'm not sure in what order they should go:

- First row: Pelure paper. Now, both Temprano and Scott describes the 10 centavos as Violet. My first assumption is that mine's a fake, but I haven't found good descriptions for these pieces yet
- Second row: Vertical laid paper.
- Third and fourth rows: Wove paper. I have a feeling one of those 20 centavos is a fake.
- Fifth row: Wove paper.
- Sixth row: Horizontal laid paper.
- Last row: vertical laid paper.

I'm assuming they used the same paper for each series in which case I guess this grouping should be close to what should be. I just don't know the exact order or arrangement.

Here's the image (larger version here):
Image Not Found

Scott lists 6 series, Temprano 5. Temprano says that some of my pieces in wove paper should be on laid paper, Scott has them listed in wove matching my pieces... and so on.

Can someone help me figure out what do I have here?

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SForgCa

22 Jul 2019
01:43:26pm

re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

The 10c comes in 2 issues
A rare and expensive 10c Violet in 1882
A much less expensive 10c Scarlet in 1883

1883 Scarlet 10c
Image Not Found

Your 10c
Image Not Found
I do not have a plating sample but yours is probably real

I will look at the possible forgeries later.

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will

22 Jul 2019
05:08:30pm

re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

Thanks SForgCa! So Violet is not really Violet, is it? Based on my color gauge it is more carmine than violet. And the one that is supposedly scarlett is, based on the same color gauge -an old Wonder one, rose pink.

That was what threw me off on those pieces. The color was so different!

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will

22 Jul 2019
08:06:02pm

re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

Oh wait... So I have two copies of the 1883 Scarlett. But they are on different papers. The one you cropped (thanks) is on pelure paper while the second one is on wove paper:
Image Not Found

And I have this 10c on something more similar to violet... I assume from 1882. It is on vertical laid paper.
Image Not Found

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SForgCa

23 Jul 2019
09:44:55am

re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

I have a newer Temprano but Antioquia and other departments are not covered for some reason??
Michel South America Specialized 2015 is complete
The Scarlet 10c is noted as being on wove paper only value about $3 used - dated 1882
The 10c violet is on laid paper value $80 used and dated 1882

Based on the genuine image from a collector (right) it certainly appears genuine
Image Not FoundImage Not Found

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will

24 Jul 2019
09:26:18pm

re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

Thanks SForgCa! you helped me solved two mysteries!

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will

27 Jul 2019
03:11:59pm

re: Antioquia 1878-1884 Liberty Heads Mess [SOLVED?]

Ok, based on the literature I have, and the help SForgCa gave me, I think I've cleaned at least most of my mess.

Here's the final result:
Image Not Found


As usual, I rushed to mount the page... and then I noticed I missed one value Sad Here's the final page (so far!):
Image Not Found


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