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General Philatelic/Newcomer Cnr : German watermarks.

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gerom
15 Jul 2019
12:01:07pm
I do not manage to identify the types of watermark for these stamps. Letter D is up but also down. What type of watermark is it?Image Not Found

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mbo1142
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15 Jul 2019
12:34:32pm
re: German watermarks.

According to my Scotts, it is watermark 286 D P Multiple. You are seeing D's and P's. I assume they stand for Deustsche Post.

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SForgCa
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15 Jul 2019
01:03:17pm
re: German watermarks.

The watermarks come in 4 flavors which affects value

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There are also 2 types of these stamps and different perfs
Check number of stairs and balcony railing

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The type II right has higher CV especially in the 3 & 5 DM

The type I can be further broken down into 1a, 1b and 1c depending on number of stairs
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gerom
15 Jul 2019
02:19:18pm
re: German watermarks.

Thank you very much.
My stamps are type II (vertical lines on balcony)and 6 or ?? 7 stairs.
The watermark is (I think) the third.In the first stamp the letter D it's up and down,but
lines up from left to right.What is the code for the four types of watermarks?

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youpiao
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15 Jul 2019
03:52:18pm
re: German watermarks.

Upright, Ds facing left.
Upright, Ds facing right.
Sideways, Ds facing up.
Sideways, Ds facing down.

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SForgCa
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15 Jul 2019
07:57:30pm
re: German watermarks.

Whether the D & P's are horizontal or vertical is easy, so look to the dashes - are they inclined left or right
In both stamps the letters are horizontal and the dashes point to the right - so #3 for both
My catalog is Michel Germany Specialized so no relationship to Scott #'s and it is very complicated - here is the listing just for the 1 DM
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ALL the German stamps of that 1945-50 period especially the overprints are very complicated and most of the overprints sold are FAKES

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gerom
16 Jul 2019
12:52:10am
re: German watermarks.

Thank you again,think I could identify the 2 stamps.
Michel is complicated but also logical. According to Scott, the first stamp is sideways (but the "D" is up and down too). Michel is clearer with the specification of the direction of the lines.
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What are B, D, G, O, ...? and L11: 11: 11: 11 1/2 (3 sides with L11 and one with L11 1/2? ... and which side is the first? clockwise or anti clockwise?)
My stamps have L11 perforation are Type II the color is "dunkel smaragdgrun" and the Michel no.is #97bIIYB.(I don't know yet what is "B")

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nlroberts1961
12,8 cm Kanone 43 L/55 in blueprints only
22 Jul 2019
10:30:27am
re: German watermarks.

My understanding is
B=L 11 which is line perf 11.
B D G O P T are all different perforations.

dunkel smaragdgrun is dark emerald-green

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gerom
22 Jul 2019
06:01:12pm
re: German watermarks.

Yes I understand that L11=line perforation 11 on top/bottom/left/ right sides of stamp.
My question was for perforation de type P: gez. L11; 11; 11; 11 1/2.

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Opa
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23 Jul 2019
03:27:30pm
re: German watermarks.

When there are more than three perforation differences, Michel explains as follows.

Looking at the front side of the stamp. First the top then the right side, the bottom and last the left side are measured. In my Michel 2013 it is under the heading "Zähnungszahl" on page 16.

Watermarks: The WM are not that complicated. Do not concentrate on letters. Look at the broken lines. Are they falling (top left to bottom right) or are they rising (Bottom left to top right). After determining the lines simply see if the letters are standing or laying.

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gerom
24 Jul 2019
12:08:20am
re: German watermarks.

Thank you opa.For watermark it is a easy way what you write (the Scott is confusing).
I have a stamps "Political,science and art personalities" of 1948(soviet Zone) and 1953 (DDR).I don't see very well (it's normal?)the watermarks and I tried to identificate them with the difference of gum and papier.But I don't know german and I have some questions:
1.This is "borkengummierung"? (only for Soviet zone?)
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2.What it is and how it looks the "gestrichenes" and "gewohnliches" papier?

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nlroberts1961
12,8 cm Kanone 43 L/55 in blueprints only
24 Jul 2019
12:52:26am
re: German watermarks.

gestrichenes = coated paper
gewohnliches = ordinary paper

borkengummierung = this is an educated guess - Broken gum - perhaps rippled gum


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Opa
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24 Jul 2019
09:55:35am
re: German watermarks.

Borke in German translates to Tree bark. So the gum looks a little like that.

Due to the high viscosity of the gum, streaks occurred. If these uncovered areas make up more than 50% of the area, they are called Borkengummierung "bark gum".

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gerom
24 Jul 2019
05:39:35pm
re: German watermarks.

Thank you again opa and nlroberts1961

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26 Dec 2019
05:43:02pm
re: German watermarks.


Borkengummi

Explanation: The high viscosity of the gum caused streaks to form, especially on the outer edges of the printed sheets. If these areas not covered by gum make up more than 50% of the area, they are called "bark gum". It is available vertically and horizontally (y or z).

Hope that this translation/explanation is clear.


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Michel Nr. 212ay, alle 4 Marken sind vollfläching mit senkrechtem Borkengummi bedeckt. (Kreuzkammzähnung, senkrechte Papierstruktur)

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gerom
27 Dec 2019
03:41:08am
re: German watermarks.

Thank you HockeyNut for the image.
The gummi look like mine stamp.
George

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