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General Philatelic/Newcomer Cnr : Curious french stamp

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gerom
14 Jul 2019
02:24:29pm
Hello
I have a french stamp, Scott#92 (I think),who had a backside print.The stamp is MH and the print is below the gum and the thickness of paper is 0,12mm.What do you think? Thanks for any help.
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14 Jul 2019
03:14:17pm
re: Curious french stamp

offset from the stamp printed on the subsequent sheet...... nice example

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gerom
15 Jul 2019
01:51:36am
re: Curious french stamp

I thought the same, but the print on the back of the stamp is perfectly aligned with the one on the front. Generally, the back prints were incomplete or unaligned to the print on the face.
Is the ink flowing through paper?
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19 Aug 2019
10:54:36am
re: Curious french stamp

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dallay vars and 3 forgeries noted

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19 Aug 2019
12:29:48pm
re: Curious french stamp

Crude forgery is my guess. (REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE at the bottom is all wrong).
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gerom
19 Aug 2019
01:19:33pm
re: Curious french stamp

Thank you phos45 and rrraphy.I don't think that is a forgery.I find one with perforation Line 13.My stamp is not.The design is very different of mine.
What is the cote for this variety?

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nigelc
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19 Aug 2019
02:37:14pm
re: Curious french stamp

I would expect the Maury variety "impression recto-verso" to have the image printed the correct way round on the reverse side, i.e. the sheet was printed twice, once on each side, not just once with an additional offset (setoff) image on the reverse.

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SForgCa
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19 Aug 2019
03:06:30pm
re: Curious french stamp

Genuine
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Faux (forgery) de Chalon and Image shown
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made in St. Etienne in 1886; the so-called 'faux de Chalon'. They seem to have been made by mrs. Conry, Rolle and Mugnier. Rather hard to find - actually a keeper - possibly the only value forged??
The 3 forgers were caught almost immediately and received large fines as well as prison time up to 4 years.

recto-verso is the image printed front & back, the offset is a mirror image when one still wet sheet presses against another in a stack and depending on the sheet configuration might be perfectly centered

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ikeyPikey
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19 Aug 2019
04:56:26pm
re: Curious french stamp

Quote:

"... the print is below the gum ..."



This point has not, to my reading, been explicitly addressed.

The freshly printed sheets fall on one another; if the correct conditions are met (an example would be very heavy inking), one sheet can pick up the (inverse) image of the sheet below it.

The gum is applied later.

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gerom
19 Aug 2019
06:00:57pm
re: Curious french stamp

Yes ,ikeyPikey,the backside printing it's not on gum,it's under the gum.In that period the printing was made on ungummed paper? For that I asked if the ink flowing through paper.
The gum it's transparent.yelowish and have a small cracks.

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