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I'm learning to ID my stamps.
How do I handle it when there is a perforation number for the horizontal measurement, but there are no perforations on the top or bottom? It seems it was on a coil, but there is no option for that.
I hope my question makes sense.
I have these as Scott # 1278 or 1299 if that helps.
Are there any basic steps to take when trying to ID stamps based on specifications? This is my first attempt (in case that wasn't clear, lol.)
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"How do I handle it when there is a perforation number for the horizontal measurement, but there are no perforations on the top or bottom?"
With this stamp, it most likely came from a booklet. Straight edges will be found on the top, bottom and sometimes with the addition of a side when the stamp came from the edge of a booklet pane. So, it would be a single from #1278a or #1278b. Scott does not differentiate between booklet singles and sheet singles for many stamps.
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Some use the booklet number to reflect the single and just note as single.
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Thank you very much for your help!
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"How do I handle it when there is a perforation number for the horizontal measurement, but there are no perforations on the top or bottom? It seems it was on a coil, but there is no option for that."
The coil version of the 1 cent green Jefferson stamp (design A710, Scott 1299) is perforated vertically, meaning the stamp won't have perfs at top or bottom.
It has a separate listing from that of the Scott 1278 (which shows both horizontal and vertical perforation measurements).
Stamps from a booklet pane of this type will have a straight edge on either one side or two adjacent sides.
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Michelle,
Steven's illustration should help you picture the difference between a coil and a booklet stamp. His booklet, in the post above mine, shows stamps with 1 or 2 straight edges; those straight edges will always be adjacent, NOT parallel, if a booklet; in booklet, they will always be parallel.
Sheets stamps typically, but not always, have no straight edges. Some sheets are cut with all stamps having perfs; other times, the outside stamps in a pane will have a straight edge (similar to booklets, but with higher number of stamps with NO straight edges.
Hope this helps the already good information others have given.
David
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That is incredibly helpful!
We're printing out this thread and putting it in our "ID book." We're making a binder to keep all of these notes. I hate asking the same question twice.
Thank you for taking the time. It is very appreciated.
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Remember too that whenever we say that something is found in a certain way, that there will always be exceptions that will cause confusion and consternation. Modern booklet stamps from Greece, for example, look like coils. They are cut like coils and then placed in booklets. Coils? In a way, but they are issued in booklet form, so the catalogs call them booklet stamps. See what I mean?
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Duly noted. Thank you for the warning!
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It does depend on the country. For Great Britain stamps like Machins, booklets may not have a straight edge. They may be perforated by cut into booklets so some perfs are cut and not torn.
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11:47:06am
" ....It does depend on the country. For Great Britain stamps like Machins, booklets may not have a straight edge. They may be perforated by cut into booklets so some perfs are cut and not torn. ..."
And, most important, often the contracts for a booklet, coil or sheet stamp are let to different printers. Since the image is usually from an example provided, while the numbers are inserted by the printer, the stamps are quite different, thusly; Machin collectors usually try to acquire all the different printings (Different stamps).E.g. the value may be placed a slightly different distance from the left and or bottom edge.
Also, for the Machin specialist, which need not concern everyone, the booklets are originally printed in sheets that are "Cut" ( Guillotined )from the somewhat unique way the booklet panes are laid out on the sheet. There may be two different layouts if there is a mixed set of values or a slogan filling an otherwise blank space.
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The point being that there may be more to the "Booklet pane" story, than thought.
But that only bothers slightly deranged Machinistas. Or deranges them in the first place.
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I'm learning to ID my stamps.
How do I handle it when there is a perforation number for the horizontal measurement, but there are no perforations on the top or bottom? It seems it was on a coil, but there is no option for that.
I hope my question makes sense.
I have these as Scott # 1278 or 1299 if that helps.
Are there any basic steps to take when trying to ID stamps based on specifications? This is my first attempt (in case that wasn't clear, lol.)
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01:40:08pm
re: Help learning the how-to of identifying?
"How do I handle it when there is a perforation number for the horizontal measurement, but there are no perforations on the top or bottom?"
With this stamp, it most likely came from a booklet. Straight edges will be found on the top, bottom and sometimes with the addition of a side when the stamp came from the edge of a booklet pane. So, it would be a single from #1278a or #1278b. Scott does not differentiate between booklet singles and sheet singles for many stamps.
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re: Help learning the how-to of identifying?
Some use the booklet number to reflect the single and just note as single.
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03:40:03pm
re: Help learning the how-to of identifying?
Thank you very much for your help!
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re: Help learning the how-to of identifying?
"How do I handle it when there is a perforation number for the horizontal measurement, but there are no perforations on the top or bottom? It seems it was on a coil, but there is no option for that."
The coil version of the 1 cent green Jefferson stamp (design A710, Scott 1299) is perforated vertically, meaning the stamp won't have perfs at top or bottom.
It has a separate listing from that of the Scott 1278 (which shows both horizontal and vertical perforation measurements).
Stamps from a booklet pane of this type will have a straight edge on either one side or two adjacent sides.
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re: Help learning the how-to of identifying?
Michelle,
Steven's illustration should help you picture the difference between a coil and a booklet stamp. His booklet, in the post above mine, shows stamps with 1 or 2 straight edges; those straight edges will always be adjacent, NOT parallel, if a booklet; in booklet, they will always be parallel.
Sheets stamps typically, but not always, have no straight edges. Some sheets are cut with all stamps having perfs; other times, the outside stamps in a pane will have a straight edge (similar to booklets, but with higher number of stamps with NO straight edges.
Hope this helps the already good information others have given.
David
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03:40:38pm
re: Help learning the how-to of identifying?
That is incredibly helpful!
We're printing out this thread and putting it in our "ID book." We're making a binder to keep all of these notes. I hate asking the same question twice.
Thank you for taking the time. It is very appreciated.
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04:52:20pm
re: Help learning the how-to of identifying?
Remember too that whenever we say that something is found in a certain way, that there will always be exceptions that will cause confusion and consternation. Modern booklet stamps from Greece, for example, look like coils. They are cut like coils and then placed in booklets. Coils? In a way, but they are issued in booklet form, so the catalogs call them booklet stamps. See what I mean?
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05:25:52pm
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Duly noted. Thank you for the warning!
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re: Help learning the how-to of identifying?
It does depend on the country. For Great Britain stamps like Machins, booklets may not have a straight edge. They may be perforated by cut into booklets so some perfs are cut and not torn.
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11:47:06am
re: Help learning the how-to of identifying?
" ....It does depend on the country. For Great Britain stamps like Machins, booklets may not have a straight edge. They may be perforated by cut into booklets so some perfs are cut and not torn. ..."
And, most important, often the contracts for a booklet, coil or sheet stamp are let to different printers. Since the image is usually from an example provided, while the numbers are inserted by the printer, the stamps are quite different, thusly; Machin collectors usually try to acquire all the different printings (Different stamps).E.g. the value may be placed a slightly different distance from the left and or bottom edge.
Also, for the Machin specialist, which need not concern everyone, the booklets are originally printed in sheets that are "Cut" ( Guillotined )from the somewhat unique way the booklet panes are laid out on the sheet. There may be two different layouts if there is a mixed set of values or a slogan filling an otherwise blank space.
.
The point being that there may be more to the "Booklet pane" story, than thought.
But that only bothers slightly deranged Machinistas. Or deranges them in the first place.
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