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28 Jun 2019
09:02:58pm
Can anyone ID these for me pls?

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28 Jun 2019
10:05:22pm
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type

Top stamp is from the Transcaucasian Federated Republic, Scott #29. The other stamp is probably a revenue.

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29 Jun 2019
01:44:04am
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type

Awesome - thank you so much - the top one has been making me lose my mind for over 2 months now!

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Calstamp
29 Jun 2019
08:00:22am
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type


Believe the second stamp is (City of ) St Petersburg fiscal.

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29 Jun 2019
12:03:27pm
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type

As noted the second one is a St Petersburg City Council Fee Stamp
The date is the problem as there are lots of issues including a perfed series
I would estimate 1910/11

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Harvey
30 Jun 2019
06:57:41pm
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type

If you Google "stamps with cyrillic writing" there is a site which shows all countries containing Cyrillic writing. We are very spoiled now! I remember the first stamp I had from this area, it took about a year of occasional looking to figure it out. Life is so much easier with Mr. Google to help us!!!!

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Calstamp
30 Jun 2019
07:58:08pm
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type


SForgCa...

Based on the (modern) Cyrillic characters, thoughts on a later issue date?

Jim in SoCal

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30 Jun 2019
08:39:30pm
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type

Changed my mind on this - should have deciphered the Cyrillic and the very old catalog I used is rather difficult to read and seemed to indicate 1911
So that would probably make it 1865 and the Forbin catalog I checked would agree and lists it as "POLICE URBAlNE"

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This one reads S.P.B. City Council Duma
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This is the 1883 issue and rough translation City authorities/regulations
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30 Jun 2019
11:32:54pm
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type

Hi,

This stamps says "St Petersburg City Council" but there were also stamps in this same design first with the word "Police" instead of "Council" (and also a version with "Duma", the city's governing council).

Barefoot lists them all under "St Petersburg Police Passes" and says they were used on residence permits.

The imperf Politsiya issue was from 1860, the Duma and Upravie design appeared imperf in 1865.

Perf versions of the Upravie stamps were issued from 1885 and finally there was a similar design in around 1915 where the city's name was changed to "Petrograd".

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Calstamp
30 Jun 2019
11:56:37pm
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type


In this instance, am taking the word “yprava” to most closely equate to “justice”.

As in St. Petersburg City Justice (Board or Council).

Translation is rarely a perfect art.

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04 Jul 2019
08:44:46am
re: Russia ID? Cyrillic type

I too had assumed the second was a fiscal and related to the justice system based on the terms used on the stamp but I couldn't figure out a time frame. My albums are laid out by issue date, not separated into Scott layout so the rough estimate of issue date is very helpful. Thanks so much.

Kelly

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