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United States/Stamps : Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

 

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PhilatelyForFun

23 Jun 2019
04:15:17pm
I purchased a box of postal stuff from a former member of the Missouri Philately Club a few years ago. I didn't understand the stamps at the time, but the box had two WWII ration books in it, which I've collected for years.

Now that I'm hooked in this new wonderful hobby, I've been digging through the box. I found what I believe to be a Scott #156. Is the secret mark (crescent) enough to make a positive ID or are there other things to look for?

The site says my photos are too big. I will post one once my daughter teaches me how.
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PhilatelyForFun

23 Jun 2019
06:04:22pm
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@Chris

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain. It's a poor stamp that's still on the envelope. I'm still trying to learn all of the terminology and expected that I was just overexcited I finally learned/found SOMETHING.

I explained to my daughters that figuring out what to look for is just like when we learned field marks for reptiles and birds. It's a process that I am thoroughly enjoying! A magnifying glass is next for our tool kit. Well, that and learning how to use our perforation gauge, lol. Oh! And a Scott's catalog. Let me stop. I'm pretty sure you get the point.

I very much appreciate your offer to help, but it would likely be a waste of your time. I'll learn more, see if I can figure it out, and reach out when I can't, haha. This is the nicest, most helpful forum ever. Very happy to be here.

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23 Jun 2019
08:58:02pm
re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

These links might offer more information
http://stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1870/BankNote01c.html

http://stampsmarter.com/Learning/Manuf_BankNotePaperTypes.html

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gslaten

02 Jul 2019
03:56:27pm
re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Hi Philately,

Nope, can't agree that your questions would be a waste of time. There are many experts on this forum who are quite willing to help. And the rest of us will learn along with you.

Don't remove the stamp from the envelope, and if you can please post a photo of the entire envelope front and back. If you have a scanner that would provide the best images for posting.

Ask away...

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PhilatelyForFun

02 Jul 2019
04:22:13pm
re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Everyone is SO nice here. As you wish... here are the scans.

I appreciate all the help!

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PhilatelyForFun

02 Jul 2019
04:23:25pm
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gslaten

02 Jul 2019
05:39:42pm
re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Thanks for posting those images...although I am afraid I am can't provide any help in identifying the postmark, possibly others here with more knowledge will chime in. Here is a slightly enlarged version of the stamp and cancel.

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pigdoc

03 Jul 2019
07:04:22am
re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Hi Gary,

My guess on the postmark is ST LOUIS. You can make out the "S" on the back of Ben's head. The "L" is laying on its side off the R edge of the stamp with the long arm of the "L" lying horizontally. And, I make the last 3 letters "UIS" across the bottom of the stamp, upside-down.

-Paul

PS, any guesses as to what "R.A.M." is in the address?
PPS, Answer: it's a chapter of the Masons.

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gslaten

03 Jul 2019
11:18:43am
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Wow Paul, great sleuthing...I sure couldn't see it but I think you are right. I would not have guessed that "R.A.M. was referring to the Masons, but sure makes sense. Thanks for chiming in. I expect that PhilatalyFF will find it of interest as well.

Gary

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03 Jul 2019
06:03:21pm
re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Here is a copy of Scott #145 without the secret mark.
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These next two images show the secret mark on Scott # 156. There are three balls to the left next to the numeral one. Large, medium and small. The mark is located in the closest and largest ball to numeral one. it looks like a small horizontal dash in the largest ball.
The lower scan also shows a double transfer.

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PhilatelyForFun

04 Jul 2019
10:55:33am
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-Gary

Thank you for the encouragement to post. You were right. That was totally worth it. =)

-Paul

I never would have seen any of that. I appreciate the education!

-Vinman

Very helpful, thank you. What does "double transfer" mean?

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04 Jul 2019
11:45:57am
re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

This is from Winthrop Boggs "The Foundations of Philately". This can happen on "engraved" stamps.It shows well on the letters C&N in cents on the bottom stamp image.

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05 Jul 2019
06:54:21am
re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Cooooollll. Thank you!

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PhilatelyForFun

23 Jun 2019
04:15:17pm

I purchased a box of postal stuff from a former member of the Missouri Philately Club a few years ago. I didn't understand the stamps at the time, but the box had two WWII ration books in it, which I've collected for years.

Now that I'm hooked in this new wonderful hobby, I've been digging through the box. I found what I believe to be a Scott #156. Is the secret mark (crescent) enough to make a positive ID or are there other things to look for?

The site says my photos are too big. I will post one once my daughter teaches me how.

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PhilatelyForFun

23 Jun 2019
06:04:22pm

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

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@Chris

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain. It's a poor stamp that's still on the envelope. I'm still trying to learn all of the terminology and expected that I was just overexcited I finally learned/found SOMETHING.

I explained to my daughters that figuring out what to look for is just like when we learned field marks for reptiles and birds. It's a process that I am thoroughly enjoying! A magnifying glass is next for our tool kit. Well, that and learning how to use our perforation gauge, lol. Oh! And a Scott's catalog. Let me stop. I'm pretty sure you get the point.

I very much appreciate your offer to help, but it would likely be a waste of your time. I'll learn more, see if I can figure it out, and reach out when I can't, haha. This is the nicest, most helpful forum ever. Very happy to be here.

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23 Jun 2019
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re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

These links might offer more information
http://stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1870/BankNote01c.html

http://stampsmarter.com/Learning/Manuf_BankNotePaperTypes.html

Don

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gslaten

02 Jul 2019
03:56:27pm

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Hi Philately,

Nope, can't agree that your questions would be a waste of time. There are many experts on this forum who are quite willing to help. And the rest of us will learn along with you.

Don't remove the stamp from the envelope, and if you can please post a photo of the entire envelope front and back. If you have a scanner that would provide the best images for posting.

Ask away...

Gary


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PhilatelyForFun

02 Jul 2019
04:22:13pm

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Everyone is SO nice here. As you wish... here are the scans.

I appreciate all the help!

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PhilatelyForFun

02 Jul 2019
04:23:25pm

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

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gslaten

02 Jul 2019
05:39:42pm

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Thanks for posting those images...although I am afraid I am can't provide any help in identifying the postmark, possibly others here with more knowledge will chime in. Here is a slightly enlarged version of the stamp and cancel.

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Gary

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pigdoc

03 Jul 2019
07:04:22am

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Hi Gary,

My guess on the postmark is ST LOUIS. You can make out the "S" on the back of Ben's head. The "L" is laying on its side off the R edge of the stamp with the long arm of the "L" lying horizontally. And, I make the last 3 letters "UIS" across the bottom of the stamp, upside-down.

-Paul

PS, any guesses as to what "R.A.M." is in the address?
PPS, Answer: it's a chapter of the Masons.

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gslaten

03 Jul 2019
11:18:43am

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Wow Paul, great sleuthing...I sure couldn't see it but I think you are right. I would not have guessed that "R.A.M. was referring to the Masons, but sure makes sense. Thanks for chiming in. I expect that PhilatalyFF will find it of interest as well.

Gary

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03 Jul 2019
06:03:21pm

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Here is a copy of Scott #145 without the secret mark.
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These next two images show the secret mark on Scott # 156. There are three balls to the left next to the numeral one. Large, medium and small. The mark is located in the closest and largest ball to numeral one. it looks like a small horizontal dash in the largest ball.
The lower scan also shows a double transfer.

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PhilatelyForFun

04 Jul 2019
10:55:33am

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

-Gary

Thank you for the encouragement to post. You were right. That was totally worth it. =)

-Paul

I never would have seen any of that. I appreciate the education!

-Vinman

Very helpful, thank you. What does "double transfer" mean?

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vinman

04 Jul 2019
11:45:57am

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

This is from Winthrop Boggs "The Foundations of Philately". This can happen on "engraved" stamps.It shows well on the letters C&N in cents on the bottom stamp image.

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PhilatelyForFun

05 Jul 2019
06:54:21am

re: Scott #156- Question about the secret mark.

Cooooollll. Thank you!

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