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SForgCa
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18 Jun 2019
12:56:49pm
I will be posting excerpts from my book(s) in progress consisting at this point of 2 volumes with over 1600 pages.
I am finalizing the articles with new updates and they will then be posted.

I am very open to receiving images or requests by Forum Mail ONLY, not in this thread - any images MUST be of reasonable quality, unprocessed and large size.

Articles are available for members to download as a High Quality PDF with image links.

Click HERE to download - Venezuela - La Guaira Private Ship Stamp 9 pages 21Mb

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18 Jun 2019
02:25:45pm
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Wow. Some undertaking! How long have you been working on this? Thanks for sharing.

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SForgCa
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18 Jun 2019
02:41:11pm
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My interest in "forgeries" probably started around 1990 and more so in the last 10 years
I have a lot of sources and communicated with other enthusiasts like Dr Ceresa, Graus, Klaseboer, Pugh etc, - some unfortunately are no longer around.
The 'forgeries" have their own postal history and like it or not are part of stamp collecting.
So my cut off is usually around 1920-40, beyond that we now have producers of massive amounts of fakes (to defraud governments) with organized crime backgrounds and countries like Latvia, India, Hong Kong etc that are producing forgeries and fakes of all kinds particularly for cash rich new collectors with no real knowledge - not my area of interest.

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pigdoc
18 Jun 2019
05:39:48pm
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Wow, VERY nicely done, SForgCa!

This earlier topic scratched the surface, and in it, I mention my primary reference on La GuairĂ¡...

Private Ship Letter Posts: Caribbean

...which has been The Private Ship Letter Stamps of the World, Part 1 The Caribbean by Ringstrom and Tester (copyright unknown). About half that book is devoted to the La GuairĂ¡/Puerto Cabello/St Thomas issues. It appears to me that you've studied this area in more depth than those authors! Very interesting area of study...

Just to be clear, in your last posting above, showing pairs of stamps, the ones on the left are all genuine, correct? That would be my judgment. Genuine stamps (almost?) universally have horizontal shading lines crossing the frame lines on the right side of the stamps. And, vice versa, forged stamps rarely (never?) have those horizontal lines cross the right side frame lines. If I were you, I would Edit your posting to make this more clear.

I have a nice forgery of the 4 Centavo on its way to me, just to add to my reference collection. It's definitely a forgery, as the horizontal shading lines are crudely done. But, it's now about a week overdue, from Croatia. (sigh) I'll post it if/when it ever gets here.

Thanks!
-Paul

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SForgCa
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18 Jun 2019
07:09:14pm
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I expected everyone would have known the genuine ones are on the left.

Unfortunately the horizontal lines only visibly cross the frame line on a portion of the issues which is why it is not considered a definite proof of the originals.

Having said that, I have not seen these crossing lines on the forgeries to date.

This is a strip from my book showing the 4 types of the 4c, lines crossing are not plainly visible on 2 of them

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18 Jun 2019
11:22:17pm
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https://stampforgeries.com/


great site ...

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SForgCa
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20 Jun 2019
08:41:16am
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phos45 - Let us know in a year or so how they compare

The German States starting with Baden is next

Click HERE to download German States - Baden 16 pages 34Mb

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24 Jun 2019
05:18:24pm

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Thank you !

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pigdoc
24 Jun 2019
11:12:33pm
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This looks like a good place to recycle a SOR posting of mine from January 2018, slightly edited.

From information in my copy of The Private Ship Letter Stamps of the World, Part I: The Caribbean, these were printed by M. Stern (Paris) in 1869, commemorating the Clara Rothe, which was built for the St Thomas-Puerto Rico mail service, named after the daughter of C.A. Rothe, governor of the DWI, 1820-1822. The ship spent a year as a packet boat in the DWI, 1865-1866.

It is presumed that these stamps were prepared for use, but never issued. So, no postally used copies should exist. There were 1/2, 1, 2, and 3 centavo versions printed in black, as well as versions printed in other colors.

This one is DEFINITELY genuine - it has all the hallmarks. So, we have genuine and forged juxtaposed. There are lots of forgeries out there by Spiro and others. These very rarely come up for sale, so I ignored the condition issues (it's hinged). It's a prized item in my Danish Colonies collection.

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SForgCa
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26 Jun 2019
09:40:27am
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Another of The Ship Mail issues - The Clara Rothe
A controversial issue with 2 sets of forgeries

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Click HERE to download the Clara Rothe PDF - 5 pages 10Mb
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NEXT another German State

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27 Jun 2019
06:41:53pm

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I just acquired Bulgaria #1-5. I will be happy to get an opinion based on scans. Will post something later on today.

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cougar
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27 Jun 2019
11:35:08pm

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These are the stamps I recently purchased. Thought they are genuine, but who knows.
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SForgCa
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28 Jun 2019
08:00:33am
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Unfortunately, I cannot properly help you as the forgery details are minor and not visible.
However, the stamps are comb perfed and all the forgeries I have seen are line perfed so that is positive.

Most forgers have a big issue with duplicating comb perfed stamps

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pigdoc
03 Jul 2019
07:26:09am
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Just received this item, from a seller in Slovakia. In my experience, forgeries of the 1864 La GuairĂ¡ 4 Centavo are quite uncommon. Here's one:
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Paper is dyed way too dark, and the crudeness of the shading lines around the "4" are dead giveaways. Compare to SForgCa's scan of a strip of 4 of the genuine 1864 4 Centavo above.

The black smudges near the top edge of this stamp seem to suggest a cancellation. If so, it is probably a forged cancellation as well. I don't think I've ever seen a stamp in this issue cancelled, either for real or forged.

-Paul

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SForgCa
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07 Jul 2019
09:52:47am
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German States - Bavaria - The Numeral issues
Featuring one of the most forged stamps of all the German States

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Click HERE to download the Bavaria HD PDF - 16 pages 34Mb
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SForgCa
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17 Jul 2019
01:21:18pm
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German States - Bergedorf
Affordable stamps but many forgeries and a LOT of unauthorized reprints (forgeries)

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Follow this LINK for an HD PDF version - 23 pages, 53Mb

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gerom
17 Jul 2019
04:01:17pm
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Thank you for this very good work.I searched an articles for Bergedorf stampa and I find (bnf.fr) an old book (1925) by Serrane.
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SForgCa
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30 Jul 2019
11:57:42am
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Azerbaijan
Considering the vast numbers printed, this country finds its way into most WW collections.
Forgeries, fake overprints and several bogus issues are to be found.
One of the few countries where some forgeries are worth more than the originals.

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To find out more follow this LINK for a 19 page (39 Mb) HD PDF with full image links

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SForgCa
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31 Aug 2019
05:41:26pm
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Crete

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Crete was Turkish after 1669, gained independence in 1878, but was controlled by the
Turks from 1889. In 1897 an uprising of the local population took place with Greek aid (causing
the Greek-Turkish war), and the Turks appealed to the European powers to intervene.
Great Britain, France, Italy and Russia sent ships in 1898 and occupied a section of the island until 1909. A varied range of stamp issues followed with plenty of forgeries

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Follow this LINK for a 24 page 42Mb HD pdf with full image links

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nigelc
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31 Aug 2019
09:21:53pm
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Hello SForgCa.

My main area of interest is Crete so it was a very pleasant surprise to see your post just now. Happy

I have downloaded your pdf and will study it with care.

I'm particularly impressed with the clarity of the images.

Thank you very much indeed for sharing these articles with us.





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