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Asia/China : Fake postmark, Genuine postcard

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Zhai
11 Jun 2019
11:35:50pm
this is fake material...Image Not Found

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Zhai
11 Jun 2019
11:36:33pm
re: Fake postmark, Genuine postcard

all postmarks is fake...

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pigdoc
12 Jun 2019
08:57:20am
re: Fake postmark, Genuine postcard

OK, I'll bite.

How did you determine that the postmarks are fake?

-Paul

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14 Jun 2019
10:03:29pm
re: Fake postmark, Genuine postcard

An excellent question.

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20 Apr 2020
12:27:43am

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re: Fake postmark, Genuine postcard

To which we never got an answer?

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23 Apr 2020
05:31:41pm
re: Fake postmark, Genuine postcard

Yes, a whole week and no response.


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23 Apr 2020
06:00:11pm
re: Fake postmark, Genuine postcard

Post marks look strange.
1. The post mark circle shape should be a little bigger.
2. The rectangular shape post mark shouldn't be use because it indicate postal HQ. only.
3. During 1900 ERA, fake post mark were common & this one is likely to be fake too.

I'm not an expert on Chinese stamps, it's just my guess because I have seen millions of chinese mails, post cards & packages

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26 Apr 2020
05:54:44pm
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"....
I'm not an expert on Chinese stamps, it's just my guess
because I have seen millions of Chinese mails, post cards
& packages ,,,,"

And you are most likely right.
Usually when someone offers a broad brush opinion possibly
expecting it to be accepted as a definitive answer they
include some supporting explanation just as you did.
Anyone familiar with the turmoil in China pre-1949 as
wars developed between the Central Government and the
early 1900 war-lords, and between war-lords themselves,
followed by strife between the Japanese invaders and
the nationalist and Communist forces throughout China
knows that as forces advanced and retreated postal
facilities and supplies fell into the hands of the
victor and were abandoned by the loser, the postal
situation was dicey on a good day.
Add to tha,t the probability that some clever fellows
added overprints to abandoned stamp inventory and you
have what appears to be more bogus stamps than genuine.
False cancellations, or more correctly the genuine
cancellations applied to stamps that were not properly
issued or used, or were used in the wrong towns during
incorrect and impossible dates.
Then to complicate things, I believe I read a note in
the Ma catalog that at times a postal official, having
no correct canceler, simply obliterated the stamp with
what was at hand and sent a letter on its merry way.
Here an expert would see the wrong applied cancellation
and declared it false, not knowing that the wrong cancel
was used to overcome the absence of a correct cancelling
device.
That is why I wondered just how the member had determined
that "All cancels (On this postcard ????) are fake?
Someone once spoke what is the greatest understatement
of all times, "War is Hell."
On a good day, it is Hell. When things go wrong words
usually fail us.

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