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clivel
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15 May 2019
03:35:57pm
SG has announced the availability of their catalogues in PDF form.

SG Digital Catalogues

There is a reasonable saving over the printed version, e.g the 2019 Commonwealth & British Empire Stamp Catalogue is £62.95 digital compared to £89.95 printed.
However, for those of us in the colonies, the real saving is on postage.

Hopefully, rampant piracy will not force them to put an end to the digital offerings.
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16 May 2019
01:59:34pm
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Purchased the GB QE2 last night. So far unable to get to where the PDF is stored, no link in email. Feedback link inoperative.
Email to customer service, their reply says;

Accessing Digital Online Publications

1. Sign into your Stanley Gibbons account
2. Under My Account (on left hand side), select ONLINE PUBLICATIONS
3. Click VIEW ONLINE
4. Dropdown list on left hand side, select catalogues category - ie Commonwealth etc and catalogues under that category will appear.
5. Find the catalogue you have ordered
6. Hover over that catalogue and you should see READ appear (if you see Preview or Buy you have not ordered that catalogue)
7. Click READ and you will then be into your catalogue.

Pointed out to them that I purchased as "Guest", still awaiting reply. Probably all gone home now.
Unable to log in with old account details, created new account, still says no purchases.
Would seem that it is not going to be a download but file kept on their server or maybe I'm wrong. Unable to tell until I can see something. Not a good experience so far, apart from no visuals of the catalogue pages or year of edition on the website which I fail to understand from a marketing viewpoint.
Will update when I get further.

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16 May 2019
11:04:19pm
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I can address most of these issues as I purchased the GB Concise Catalogue on the day of this announcement and fulfillment of that order has been completed.

Orders are placed online using a conventional shopping cart interface. SG uses SagePay as a payment gateway and it will process transactions using direct credit card details, PayPal and others. With PayPal, a total of about 10 different screens must be clicked through to complete the transaction as you load the cart, check out, go to SagePay, select a payment means, go to PayPal, authenticate and pay, and return to SagePay and so forth.

SG is processing orders manually: that is, a member of SG staff is reviewing the order, generating sales documents that are emailed to you, and authorizing access to the electronic publications. North America buyers who place an order after 5:00PM GMT (or British Summer Time) will have a delay of 8-9 hours until SG staff return in their morning to process the order. My order took overnight to handle.

SG uses the PaperLit e-book interface. You will NOT receive a PDF. Furthermore, an account at stanleygibbons.com is required; this product cannot be fulfilled with Guest status, to my knowledge.

After completing a purchase and receiving confirmation emails, you log into your account at stanleygibbons.com. From the Dashboard, select Digital Catalogues in the left menu. The publication you purchased is displayed with a link, VIEW ONLINE. Clicking that link generates a menu of categories of all digital publications that SG offers, not just the one(s) that you bought. This interface, and all later interfaces, appears to use browser-executed code, and therefore results may vary with different browsers. It does NOT appear compatible with the iPad, or at least I could not get it to run on the iPad; a spinning wheel icon is displayed forever. It worked fine in Firefox on a Dell laptop.

After selecting a category with the pull-down menu, a tile display of publications in that category is displayed. If you hover over the one you bought, a READ link is displayed. Clicking that link launches PaperLit and opens the publication in PaperLit.

There are controls to zoom in or out, advance pages, create bookmarks, and switch to a two-page or one-page display. SG appears to have used high-resolution image scans for the page images; they are not vectorized and therefore zooming in will cause loss of image sharpness. At maximum zoom, the effect is the same as if you used a 20X magnifier to inspect an image in a print catalogue.

Catalogue pages include some hyperlinks. For example, the table of contents is hyperlinked so that selecting a section heading jumps to that section. Bookmarks can be created where links are not provided. For example, I created a "return to table of contents" bookmark.

The publication works best with a live internet connection, but it is not strictly required. I tested this by loading my catalogue and then turning off the hardware radio switch on my laptop to drop the WiFi connection. PaperLit had loaded about 80 pages of the catalogue and I could freely browse those. The rest had not loaded. It appears that if you browse far enough into the publication online, you might be able to roam without an internet connection and still read it, provided you don't close the browser.

In summary, in my opinion this is a step in a good direction for SG, with two major problems. First, the manual fulfillment of orders is not scalable and not consistent with the expectations of internet-savvy buyers. Fulfillment should be automated and instant. Second, not having a PDF and really needing live internet for good usage will limit the utility of these publications at shows and bourses, but this appears to be the trend for many e-publications. I had hoped to be able to open the catalogue on an iPad at a dealer stand or table and it does not look like that will work. The offering could be improved if PaperLit had a DOWNLOAD ALL link that brought the whole publication into memory so you could browse the entirety whilst offline. (Maybe it does and I have not found it.) Still, I do find it easier to browse the catalog on the computer next to my stamp album, rather than working through a large paper catalog, and of course it takes up no shelf space.

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16 May 2019
11:06:26pm
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"2. Under My Account (on left hand side), select ONLINE PUBLICATIONS"



These instructions also appeared in my confirmation message but are not correct. The link is titled Digital Catalogues.
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17 May 2019
06:00:43am
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Does this payment process apply to just subscribe to SGSM?

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17 May 2019
08:41:05am
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Reply from SG confirming what Chris has stated above "Unfortunately, as you have ordered the catalogue using the 'Guest' facility, the download will not work. Although this is mentioned in the discription, it is not highlighted - and we will be looking to make this clearer."
Personally I do not recall seeing it in the description but why did the system allow me to purchase it in the first place, basic coding issue.
They are refunding my payment but if I am unable to download the whole pdf to my computer to work from not sure I want to purchase anything.
With restricted satellite internet and frequent dropout, having to maintain a live connection will be a pain.
Seems like another ill conceived plan from SG.

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17 May 2019
10:26:45am
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"Does this payment process apply to just subscribe to SGSM?"



Yes. It is not really difficult, but do pay attention as you are redirected among the various online systems.


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17 May 2019
10:35:59am
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"Seems like another ill conceived plan from SG."



Creating an account at stanleygibbons.com is not a huge inconvenience, especially because you can turn off any e-mail marketing messages. However, they could have chosen a different e-reader such as 3DIssue, which I use for a model railroading magazine. That one doesn't require an account anywhere, and has an explicit DOWNLOAD ALL link. However, for professional publications of this type I don't think it's realistic to expect PDF delivery anymore. I do think they need to fix the manual fulfillment process.

This may motivate me to set up my stamp den with a 24" LCD monitor connected to my laptop, arranged slightly above the desk area where I put albums. With that setup, it would be a huge convenience to browse these digital catalogues and look at them on the screen above, with the album below, rather than lugging around paper and looking side-to-side.
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17 May 2019
08:41:12pm
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I already had, still have, an account with Gibbons but it would not allow me to log in, and as it accepted my purchase as a guest I did not go any further.
Sorry but nowhere on their sales site did it state that the PDF would only be available online, I reckon that is dubious sales practise at best.
From their website,

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"the possibility to access generations of philatelic expertise at the touch of a finger with instant downloads"


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"You can now access our world famous Stamp Catalogues PDF’s on your desktop, mobile or tablet"


I note they have now highlighted the opening text that states not available to guests, but a guest can still buy the pdf as the sales page is still allowing you to add to cart.
I find it strange in a business world that a seller would not want to have my money in their till instead of in my pocket. Unable to imagine Walmart saying sorry unless you sign up for an account we are not selling you anything.


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17 May 2019
09:09:52pm
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Scott and Gibbons - two philatelic companies from the beginning, and which are VERY reluctant and resistant to change. Will they be future dinosaurs?

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18 May 2019
06:12:12am
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Words on a screen is not an excuse for poor interface design that allows one to do something not allowed.

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I went to order a pdf but got lost in a maze of questions that had nothing to do with my download .And there was no information on the digital download at all.
I emailed SG with my concerns and received a nice reply ,saying this was a work in progress and they were working on updates to it.
I'll try again in a couple of weeks and see if it's improved.
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18 May 2019
10:36:22am
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"Scott and Gibbons - two philatelic companies from the beginning, and which are VERY reluctant and resistant to change. Will they be future dinosaurs?"


So true!

Unfortunately, I think that the future of the hobby, in the English speaking world at any rate, is tied up with the wellbeing of these two companies. Without Scott in North America and GB in the Commonwealth I think that stamp collecting would have a rapid decline.

So despite missteps, annoyances and general incompetence, I try to buy a new "Commonwealth & Empire" or "Southern and Central Africa" catalogue every few years. Just my little bit towards the survival of a company that seems hell bent on destroying itself.
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18 May 2019
10:53:30am
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"Without Scott in North America and GB in the Commonwealth I think that stamp collecting would have a rapid decline."



Hi Clive!
Ah, ye of little faith! Happy

I have confidence that if a vacuum were to develop from large players dying on the vine; entrepreneurship, innovation, and opportunity would quickly backfill the void.

In fact, I would expect new development to begin rapidly since the existing threat of copyright violations has been hung over the heads of many people during the last 25 years. (Actually catalog numbers are not copyrighted but the publishers have done a good job of scaring folks.)
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18 May 2019
04:24:00pm
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The fear of court costs is a deterrent. Even Krause's lawsuit ended in a settlement and they supposedly had a top IP lawyer.

Even if Scott or SG went under, someone would buy the assets and do something with it. I suspect no matter what that US collectors would use Scott numbers for already issued stamps unless some major change. It is about future issues.

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18 May 2019
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"The fear of court costs is a deterrent. Even Krause's lawsuit ended in a settlement and they supposedly had a top IP lawyer..."



Anyone can bring a law suit against you at any time and I am unsure of the details in the Krause lawsuit which clearly was about commercial use. (For example, what, if any, contract(s) may have been in place between the parties regarding the numbering system.)

What I was posting about was the issue where it was common for non-commercial websites to receive 'cease and desist' legal letters flowing from catalog publishers claiming copyright on a numbering system.

I know for a fact that this type of legal saber rattling has previously had a chilling effect on various philatelic projects. Clearly some catalog publishers felt it a higher priority to try to chase hobbyists around than to work towards a effective digital transition.

While I certain appreciate the marketing and other promotional value that the catalog publishers brought to the hobby; in my opinion some things they were also doing had a very negative impact.
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19 May 2019
06:51:38am
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They definitely go after everyone. Amos considers certain non-commercial use a threat to their commercial business and we have laws on fair use. They likely feel it can be a slippery slope on controlling non-commercial use. I am not defending their actions but noting their motivations.

Their best protection is actually to create a better product but seem stuck with digital offerings that are little more than a rendering of the printed page. The question is why - lack of expertise, do not see quick revenue, not willing to invest the money to do the conversion, etc.


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19 May 2019
09:13:57am
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Not being very tech savvy would it not be possible to identify each pdf with a unique code ( like that in vehicle paint or printers) that would lead back to the original purchaser of the file.
The web crawlers are fairly proficient at picking out offered items and really only the major selling platforms are likely to be used by fraudsters who need a vast market to make it worthwhile.
As I said earlier it seems to be ill conceived and rushed and obviously not properly tested before being released to Joe public.

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19 May 2019
09:46:01am
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Yes, there are many ‘document control’ solutions, an entire industry as a matter of fact. Some of them are so secure that you literally ‘install’ the PDF to your computer and it will only ever open and display on that computer. All of these solutions are very expensive, especially with the support required. (These types of document security easily triple your support costs.) I assume that this is the reason that philatelic publishers do not use them.

But what is the point? Are hard copy publishing also fearful of photocopy machines? Scanners? I can scan a hardcopy catalog and have it posted on a 'dark web' website in Kathmandu or Ukraine in a few hours. No philatelic publisher has the resources to try to chase something that like down half way around the world (even if they had a technical expertise).

In my opinion companies who say that they are sticking with hard copy for security reasons are just making excuses for not changing.

There is one simple solution. You cannot compete with the internet. Figure out how to transition to being an online publisher. Not only do people want their information when and where they want it, but the cost of paper is going to continue to grow. Additionally, they need to reach customers across the globe. What kind of business plan is 'lets cut down trees so we can print a catalog and then ship the heavy paper half way around the globe'?

I love my books, I love my small library in my house. But any IT person/content delivery company with any common sense realized the game changed about 20 years ago. The fact that we still have philatelic publishers struggling to deal with transition is a sign that they are not going to make it.
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20 May 2019
09:23:04am
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From Wikipedia regarding the Krause lawsuit.

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"Because of its commercial importance the publishers of the Scott Catalogue claim copyright on their numbering systems, and grant only limited licences for their use by others. The inconsistency with which Scott enforced these licences resulted in a lawsuit by Krause Publications (publishers of the Minkus Catalogue) for copyright infringement. After Krause filed a defence the suit was settled out of court, and Krause continued to reference the Scott numbers. It has been speculated that Scott was not successful. "



Here is a link to the Linns article.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120210035330/http://www.stamps.net/opinion6.htm

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If I recall, Krause did create a separate printed cross reference but was not part of the main catalog as originally done so there were limits on usage.

The aspect that go me was them being flexible in licensing. We know they have denied usage to some people after this.


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The inconsistency of the licensing is only part of the issue.

Catalog numbers lack originality and as such are not entitled to copyright protection. Anyone who wants to start a stamp catalog numbering system would most likely start with #1 in chronological order. The absence of creativity is a critical attribute of any typical numbering system that simply increments a number with each additional stamp.

There is legal precedence for companies trying to copyright a catalog/part numbering system (which even included ‘intelligent’ numbering) and the court ruled that is was not copyrightable. (i.e. Southco Inc. v. Kanebridge Corp.).

It only makes sense that trying to copyright a number or alphabet-based catalog identifiers would require a 'high creativity bar' to be covered. If it were not, than generating a new identification numbering system would be almost impossible since decades of existing numbering system would already be in place.

I fully support the copyright laws and intellectual property rights; I think they are critical in allowing innovation and entrepreneurship to thrive. But copyrights only cover original, creative works; assigning incremental numbers does not meet that criteria.
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Since Amos Media owns Scott, and bought Minkus, kind of a moot point. Now the issue should be with Amos Media buying out so many philatelic firms, when does monopoly come to play? You can see the results by the ridiculous rise in prices of philatelic items sold by Amos.

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The Krause lawsuit had the opportunity to settle it but it did not. What Krause did after was not that significant to me so despite what the article said Scott did prevail more than Krause.

Of course, any behavior changes out of the settlement would have to enforced in yet another court case that will likely never happen.

The world can move on and build a better mousetrap.

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