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Consider the stamps below:
1. Ajman - I don't see it in Scott. My guess would be a UAE airmail stamp with Ajman on it. Perhaps intended for sale in Ajman, but seems to be printed after Ajman joined UAE. SG catalog #A123?
2. Can't find this. Checked Jordan, Saudi and Syria. Can someone tell me the country? I can take it from there!
3. I have a set of Ras Al Khaima stamps - Scott #6,7,8 with #6 shown. They all have the same 1964 Tokyo Olympics overprints. I don't see the overprints listed in Scott. Are these unlisted overprints or more like CTOs that make otherwise valuable stamps worthless?
Thanks!
Lars
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Hi Lars,
#2 is from the Sherifian Post in Morocco.
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Hi Lars,
From the CTO postmark, #1 appears to be a 1968 stamp from Ajman, so from before the creation of the UAE.
I guess this is one of a set of ten "Satellites and Spacecraft" stamps (including two 1 riyal stamps) which is given only a summarised listing in the SG Appendix for Ajman.
Michel is kinder to these issues and lists them but I don't have their catalogue.
Stamp #3 is Ras al Khaima SG 15 from 1 October 1965.
This is one of a set of three with the same overprint, SG 15-17.
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Thanks, Nigel!
So the Ras al Khaima is a legit overprint. Does SG list a value for these? Scott only lists them without the overprint.
I think that answers all of my questions for those stamps.
I appreciate the quick answer!
Lars
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Hi Lars,
I don't have up-to-date prices but here are the UMM/MNH prices from 2008:
SG 15 - 55p
SG 16 - £1.20
SG 17 - £3.00
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Thanks, Nigel. Current pricing isn't important. I was just curious if the overprint made them essentially worthless and the answer seems to be "No".
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Hi Lars,
#1 is listed in the Trucial States Catalogue as #319 from a 1968 set on space research.
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"Trucial States Catalogue"
Is that SG, Michel, Y&T, Scott or other?
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I have used this catalogue for many years to look up issues for Ajman, Dubai, Fujeira, Manama, Ras Al Khaima, Sharjah, and Umm Al Qiwain.
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Yes, that perfectly describes my stamp, but who published that catalogue? Can we have a peek at the inside cover?
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I *think* that might be the Minkus catalog that he's showing. They published one (or possible one or two more?) edition(s).
I use the Michel Naher Osten (Near East) catalog for the area. There is an English version, but it is not updated as often as the German language one and may not be quite as complete, so the German version is what I rely on.
From the 2013 edition, it shows that there are at least 3 different sets of overprints (1 set of which is the 1964 Tokyo Olympics) for that Ras al Khaima set. In each case, the un-overprinted stamps have a higher catalog value than the overprinted.
For instance, the unoverprinted, Mi 6-8, have a mint cv of €1.70, €3.50, and €11.00, respectively.
The 1964 Olympics overprints are Mi 21-23, and have a mint cv of €0.70, €1.50, and €3.80.
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For the Ajman space stamp, the Michel numbers for the set are 257-266. The one you showed is Mi 261. For used, they do not value each stamp, but the 10-stamp set used has a cv of €1.60.
By contrast, the mint set has a cv of €10.00 perforated and €14.00 imperf.
Hope this is helpful!
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And thanks to Nigel's astute identification, the Morocco stamp is listed in Scott, at the beginning, as part of a A## series, before Scott #1.
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The first Minkus Trucial States Catalog had a green cover showing flower stamps, and a maroon title,if my memory serves correctly. It shows up alot in box lots. I have never seen the one in the image a few responses up, but the text looks like it is a Minkus catalog.
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I was thinking brown or maroon, too, Michael, so I think you're correct.
(If only I could put my hands on my copy at the moment to confirm. Someday I'll have enough space for everything ...)
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This is my copy - don't know if it was the first one or not;
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I think it might be. This is the one I recall seeing, and then later on getting (and then later on misplacing ...).
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There is no indication inside about the source of this book, other than "PRINTED BY M. CARUS." The back cover says nothing but $2.00. I do not even remember where I got this catalog.
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The back cover of mine says "A Minkus Publication"
and the price - $3.50
Interestingly, when I bought it (used, of course) there was a full page ad from a 1978 edition of Linn's folded up inside the book. I left it in there and its still there today.
Here are a couple scans covering nearly the entire page;
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The Moroccan stamp is for the pre-protectorate Sultanate, which I count as a different "country" from French Morocco (which combined the Cherifian post with the French Offices in Morocco) and from the post-independence kingdom.
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The Dec 1028 issue of The American Philatelist (all 100/+ pages of it) is free to a good home but but please message me with links to your material contributions (images, information) to any thread (including this one) about the Trucial States.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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I have three middle east questions.
Consider the stamps below:
1. Ajman - I don't see it in Scott. My guess would be a UAE airmail stamp with Ajman on it. Perhaps intended for sale in Ajman, but seems to be printed after Ajman joined UAE. SG catalog #A123?
2. Can't find this. Checked Jordan, Saudi and Syria. Can someone tell me the country? I can take it from there!
3. I have a set of Ras Al Khaima stamps - Scott #6,7,8 with #6 shown. They all have the same 1964 Tokyo Olympics overprints. I don't see the overprints listed in Scott. Are these unlisted overprints or more like CTOs that make otherwise valuable stamps worthless?
Thanks!
Lars
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re: Middle east
Hi Lars,
#2 is from the Sherifian Post in Morocco.
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re: Middle east
Hi Lars,
From the CTO postmark, #1 appears to be a 1968 stamp from Ajman, so from before the creation of the UAE.
I guess this is one of a set of ten "Satellites and Spacecraft" stamps (including two 1 riyal stamps) which is given only a summarised listing in the SG Appendix for Ajman.
Michel is kinder to these issues and lists them but I don't have their catalogue.
Stamp #3 is Ras al Khaima SG 15 from 1 October 1965.
This is one of a set of three with the same overprint, SG 15-17.
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re: Middle east
Thanks, Nigel!
So the Ras al Khaima is a legit overprint. Does SG list a value for these? Scott only lists them without the overprint.
I think that answers all of my questions for those stamps.
I appreciate the quick answer!
Lars
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re: Middle east
Hi Lars,
I don't have up-to-date prices but here are the UMM/MNH prices from 2008:
SG 15 - 55p
SG 16 - £1.20
SG 17 - £3.00
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re: Middle east
Thanks, Nigel. Current pricing isn't important. I was just curious if the overprint made them essentially worthless and the answer seems to be "No".
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09:30:28pm
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Hi Lars,
#1 is listed in the Trucial States Catalogue as #319 from a 1968 set on space research.
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"Trucial States Catalogue"
Is that SG, Michel, Y&T, Scott or other?
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10:40:19pm
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I have used this catalogue for many years to look up issues for Ajman, Dubai, Fujeira, Manama, Ras Al Khaima, Sharjah, and Umm Al Qiwain.
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Yes, that perfectly describes my stamp, but who published that catalogue? Can we have a peek at the inside cover?
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I *think* that might be the Minkus catalog that he's showing. They published one (or possible one or two more?) edition(s).
I use the Michel Naher Osten (Near East) catalog for the area. There is an English version, but it is not updated as often as the German language one and may not be quite as complete, so the German version is what I rely on.
From the 2013 edition, it shows that there are at least 3 different sets of overprints (1 set of which is the 1964 Tokyo Olympics) for that Ras al Khaima set. In each case, the un-overprinted stamps have a higher catalog value than the overprinted.
For instance, the unoverprinted, Mi 6-8, have a mint cv of €1.70, €3.50, and €11.00, respectively.
The 1964 Olympics overprints are Mi 21-23, and have a mint cv of €0.70, €1.50, and €3.80.
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For the Ajman space stamp, the Michel numbers for the set are 257-266. The one you showed is Mi 261. For used, they do not value each stamp, but the 10-stamp set used has a cv of €1.60.
By contrast, the mint set has a cv of €10.00 perforated and €14.00 imperf.
Hope this is helpful!
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And thanks to Nigel's astute identification, the Morocco stamp is listed in Scott, at the beginning, as part of a A## series, before Scott #1.
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12:14:04am
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The first Minkus Trucial States Catalog had a green cover showing flower stamps, and a maroon title,if my memory serves correctly. It shows up alot in box lots. I have never seen the one in the image a few responses up, but the text looks like it is a Minkus catalog.
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I was thinking brown or maroon, too, Michael, so I think you're correct.
(If only I could put my hands on my copy at the moment to confirm. Someday I'll have enough space for everything ...)
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This is my copy - don't know if it was the first one or not;
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I think it might be. This is the one I recall seeing, and then later on getting (and then later on misplacing ...).
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11:53:31pm
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There is no indication inside about the source of this book, other than "PRINTED BY M. CARUS." The back cover says nothing but $2.00. I do not even remember where I got this catalog.
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The back cover of mine says "A Minkus Publication"
and the price - $3.50
Interestingly, when I bought it (used, of course) there was a full page ad from a 1978 edition of Linn's folded up inside the book. I left it in there and its still there today.
Here are a couple scans covering nearly the entire page;
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11:00:17pm
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The Moroccan stamp is for the pre-protectorate Sultanate, which I count as a different "country" from French Morocco (which combined the Cherifian post with the French Offices in Morocco) and from the post-independence kingdom.
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re: Middle east
The Dec 1028 issue of The American Philatelist (all 100/+ pages of it) is free to a good home but but please message me with links to your material contributions (images, information) to any thread (including this one) about the Trucial States.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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