Hi Rob
I like it, Must have gone ten rounds with Mohammed Ali, and then another ten with Mike Tyson, and some cage fighting as well lol
Horamakhet
Hi Rob
Can't remember if you said that this stamp has a thin paper variety.
Could these two be thin paper.?
Bottom stamp, right eye, when first punch was landed,
Regards
Horamakhet
Hi Horamakhet
There is a thin paper variety (ACSC 230aa), the paper has to be 0.075mm or less, the left looks a little more transparent than the right but it doesn't mean that either is thin paper unless the paper thickness is measured. I will soon send the emus back as I am half-way looking for varieties.
I can see the dot in the right eye, or is it from the cancellation?
Rob
Hi Rob
It is actually a red dot in the eye.
I am going to get a paper micrometer in the next few weeks.
Definitely some thing I need.
Your are correct, the left looks thinner.
Horamakhet
Hi Horamakhet
It would be a wise investment. I'll soon email you where to get the one I have, the place is in Melbourne and it is under $100.
Rob
In my opinion micrometers require skill and experience to use properly; measuring thin materials like paper is not as simple as using, for example, a weight scale.
Having trained many QA inspectors in the use of measuring equipment, I found that learning to measure thin materials was among the hardest skills for folks to master. Going out to the thousands (or ten thousands) can be difficult for an inexperienced person and should also be done on a calibrated micrometer. (Micrometers should be calibrated every year.)
Don
Hi 51 Studebaker
Wise advice
I use a lot of equipment in Gemmology, and it needs to be very accurate.
As you said, it is not easy to measure something precisely, that comes with experience.
Horamakhet
Hi Don
A novice using a micrometer can find it challenging at first, and in some cases impossible to master; as a 33 year technician the use of different types of micrometers became part of the norm for me, at times members at the ACCC I attend use micrometers at the club.
It takes a lot of practice and some guidance to understand a digital micrometer, and yes, a yearly calibration is important to maintain accuracy.
Horamakhet in his professional field will probably find it easy to use a digital micrometer; or if he finds a little difficulty in using one there is a stamp specialist he can visit that will show him how to use it.
In my case some of my thin papers are worth thousands of dollars and to properly use a micrometer is important to make sure the stamp is indeed a thin paper.
Rob
Hi Rob,
I have no concerns about your level of experience; my posts today (here and at SCF) were really meant for the ‘masses’. Folks who have less experience, may purchase something less the best quality equipment or binders, and then make decisions involving costly stamps.
Our online communities have thousands of viewers, many of whom never even post, who may read threads like this one and think, ‘gosh, I’ll go buy an inexpensive micrometer and measure this stamp which I think might be a thin paper’. Then armed with a confirmation bias, no feel or experience for measuring paper thicknesses, they will quickly convince themselves they can quit their day jobs.
Since some of us end up investing a LOT of time dealing with this kind of situation each week, I felt a bit of preemptive context might be helpful in these kinds of threads.
Don
Hi Don
I believe my experience with stamps (and I have been helping collectors for 27 years) prove my level of experience is important to the average collector, even though it may not be of much concern to you.
And as an experienced user of various micrometers (some of mine are worth hundreds of dollars each) I use a $100 micrometer, and I have seen world experts at the ACCC use micrometers (the micrometers are not high end models, $85 - $100) accurately measure thin paper stamps, so to use "best quality equipment" really isn't necessary. Even the renowned Australian stamp experts Juzwin’s use an $87 micrometer.
People with less experience can build experience by joining a club or finding a dealer that uses a micrometer.
"Our online communities have thousands of viewers, many of whom never even post, who may read threads like this one and think, ‘gosh, I’ll go buy an inexpensive micrometer and measure this stamp which I think might be a thin paper’. Then armed with a confirmation bias, no feel or experience for measuring paper thicknesses, they will quickly convince themselves they can quit their day jobs."
There is no documented information of this unusual variety showing majority of stamp extensively over-inked, this is the only stamp of this nature cited, there is no doubt others exist but to date no other has been located.
Rob
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
Hi Rob
I like it, Must have gone ten rounds with Mohammed Ali, and then another ten with Mike Tyson, and some cage fighting as well lol
Horamakhet
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
Hi Rob
Can't remember if you said that this stamp has a thin paper variety.
Could these two be thin paper.?
Bottom stamp, right eye, when first punch was landed,
Regards
Horamakhet
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
Hi Horamakhet
There is a thin paper variety (ACSC 230aa), the paper has to be 0.075mm or less, the left looks a little more transparent than the right but it doesn't mean that either is thin paper unless the paper thickness is measured. I will soon send the emus back as I am half-way looking for varieties.
I can see the dot in the right eye, or is it from the cancellation?
Rob
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
Hi Rob
It is actually a red dot in the eye.
I am going to get a paper micrometer in the next few weeks.
Definitely some thing I need.
Your are correct, the left looks thinner.
Horamakhet
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
Hi Horamakhet
It would be a wise investment. I'll soon email you where to get the one I have, the place is in Melbourne and it is under $100.
Rob
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
In my opinion micrometers require skill and experience to use properly; measuring thin materials like paper is not as simple as using, for example, a weight scale.
Having trained many QA inspectors in the use of measuring equipment, I found that learning to measure thin materials was among the hardest skills for folks to master. Going out to the thousands (or ten thousands) can be difficult for an inexperienced person and should also be done on a calibrated micrometer. (Micrometers should be calibrated every year.)
Don
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
Hi 51 Studebaker
Wise advice
I use a lot of equipment in Gemmology, and it needs to be very accurate.
As you said, it is not easy to measure something precisely, that comes with experience.
Horamakhet
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
Hi Don
A novice using a micrometer can find it challenging at first, and in some cases impossible to master; as a 33 year technician the use of different types of micrometers became part of the norm for me, at times members at the ACCC I attend use micrometers at the club.
It takes a lot of practice and some guidance to understand a digital micrometer, and yes, a yearly calibration is important to maintain accuracy.
Horamakhet in his professional field will probably find it easy to use a digital micrometer; or if he finds a little difficulty in using one there is a stamp specialist he can visit that will show him how to use it.
In my case some of my thin papers are worth thousands of dollars and to properly use a micrometer is important to make sure the stamp is indeed a thin paper.
Rob
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
Hi Rob,
I have no concerns about your level of experience; my posts today (here and at SCF) were really meant for the ‘masses’. Folks who have less experience, may purchase something less the best quality equipment or binders, and then make decisions involving costly stamps.
Our online communities have thousands of viewers, many of whom never even post, who may read threads like this one and think, ‘gosh, I’ll go buy an inexpensive micrometer and measure this stamp which I think might be a thin paper’. Then armed with a confirmation bias, no feel or experience for measuring paper thicknesses, they will quickly convince themselves they can quit their day jobs.
Since some of us end up investing a LOT of time dealing with this kind of situation each week, I felt a bit of preemptive context might be helpful in these kinds of threads.
Don
re: 1942 2½d KGVI showing extensive over-inking of red ink
Hi Don
I believe my experience with stamps (and I have been helping collectors for 27 years) prove my level of experience is important to the average collector, even though it may not be of much concern to you.
And as an experienced user of various micrometers (some of mine are worth hundreds of dollars each) I use a $100 micrometer, and I have seen world experts at the ACCC use micrometers (the micrometers are not high end models, $85 - $100) accurately measure thin paper stamps, so to use "best quality equipment" really isn't necessary. Even the renowned Australian stamp experts Juzwin’s use an $87 micrometer.
People with less experience can build experience by joining a club or finding a dealer that uses a micrometer.
"Our online communities have thousands of viewers, many of whom never even post, who may read threads like this one and think, ‘gosh, I’ll go buy an inexpensive micrometer and measure this stamp which I think might be a thin paper’. Then armed with a confirmation bias, no feel or experience for measuring paper thicknesses, they will quickly convince themselves they can quit their day jobs."