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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

 

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jbaxter5256
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10 Feb 2019
07:07:38pm
Here are two Cuba stamps definitely dated from 1898 but no apparent listing in Scott Classic. Any ideas on what they could be (or why they are not listed)?

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10 Feb 2019
07:48:45pm
re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Most sources state that these were prepared for use but not issued, probably due to the Cuba/US war. However, this site has some for sale stating that they were revenues

http://filateliadelahabana.com/en/42500-tmo-50-cuba-1898-timbre-movil-revenue-stamps-lot-unused.html

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11 Feb 2019
12:56:01am
re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Very interesting and I suspect that may actually be the answer, i.e. that they were issued as revenue stamps.

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nigelc
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11 Feb 2019
05:02:50am
re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Forbin lists these as Cuban revenue stamps from an 1898 set of eight values.

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11 Feb 2019
12:59:11pm
re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

There were a large number of revenue stamps issued in Cuba during the 1890-98 period of Spanish administration. These (here are 6 out of the eight mentioned by Nigel) are the last Spanish-Cuba stamps issued and were never circulated. These seem to be quite common though, as are other revenue stamps of this era.

Not to be confused with the 4 stamps issued during the last Cuban War of Independence, depicted in the center top of the picture.
The "Correo Insurecto" or the "Mambi" stamps are listed as Edifil 2,3, 4 and 5 and, last I looked, are relatively rare.
There was a discussion about them in a response to a post By A-Ra (Mitch) some time ago: https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=13063

Historically the Wars of Independence are a fascinating read, on their own rights and prior to the US getting actually at war (but it was always involved) and showing how the US got drawn eventually into the war with Spain and the occupation of Cuba beginning in 1898. The sinking of the Maine battleship in Havana's harbor was the trigger, although this was most likely an accidental explosion in the ship that sank it, but the US were itching to dislodge the Spanish for economic reasons.

There is a good write up in wiki for the history buffs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_War_of_Independence

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11 Feb 2019
02:42:23pm
re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Ralph,

Thanks for your addition to the story of these stamps as well as the additional details on other revenue issues as it puts them in context of their issuance quite nicely. Much appreciated!

Jerrel

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gerom

11 Jul 2019
03:56:16pm
re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Hello
I have these stamps too and a one with postmark (fake postmark??)
They are TIMBRE MOVIL (FORBIN catalogue),but it seems they are used postal too.
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10 Feb 2019
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Here are two Cuba stamps definitely dated from 1898 but no apparent listing in Scott Classic. Any ideas on what they could be (or why they are not listed)?

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10 Feb 2019
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re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Most sources state that these were prepared for use but not issued, probably due to the Cuba/US war. However, this site has some for sale stating that they were revenues

http://filateliadelahabana.com/en/42500-tmo-50-cuba-1898-timbre-movil-revenue-stamps-lot-unused.html

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11 Feb 2019
12:56:01am

re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Very interesting and I suspect that may actually be the answer, i.e. that they were issued as revenue stamps.

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nigelc

11 Feb 2019
05:02:50am

re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Forbin lists these as Cuban revenue stamps from an 1898 set of eight values.

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11 Feb 2019
12:59:11pm

re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

There were a large number of revenue stamps issued in Cuba during the 1890-98 period of Spanish administration. These (here are 6 out of the eight mentioned by Nigel) are the last Spanish-Cuba stamps issued and were never circulated. These seem to be quite common though, as are other revenue stamps of this era.

Not to be confused with the 4 stamps issued during the last Cuban War of Independence, depicted in the center top of the picture.
The "Correo Insurecto" or the "Mambi" stamps are listed as Edifil 2,3, 4 and 5 and, last I looked, are relatively rare.
There was a discussion about them in a response to a post By A-Ra (Mitch) some time ago: https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=13063

Historically the Wars of Independence are a fascinating read, on their own rights and prior to the US getting actually at war (but it was always involved) and showing how the US got drawn eventually into the war with Spain and the occupation of Cuba beginning in 1898. The sinking of the Maine battleship in Havana's harbor was the trigger, although this was most likely an accidental explosion in the ship that sank it, but the US were itching to dislodge the Spanish for economic reasons.

There is a good write up in wiki for the history buffs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_War_of_Independence

rrr...

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11 Feb 2019
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re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Ralph,

Thanks for your addition to the story of these stamps as well as the additional details on other revenue issues as it puts them in context of their issuance quite nicely. Much appreciated!

Jerrel

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gerom

11 Jul 2019
03:56:16pm

re: Cuba 1898 Not Listed?

Hello
I have these stamps too and a one with postmark (fake postmark??)
They are TIMBRE MOVIL (FORBIN catalogue),but it seems they are used postal too.
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