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This postal card was in my possession briefly back in 2002. I have never tried to decipher the information on the card or research the history of the German concession at Kiautschou.
The cancel over the indicium includes TSINGTAU TSINANFU. The other cancel is TSINGTAU, KIAUTSCHOU.
I am sure others can add considerably more to the story behind this card.
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the oval cancellation is a railroad cancel the other one a regular post office cancel you need to check the date on the 2 cancels the round one probably a receiving cancellation. Card was mailed from TSINANFU to TSINGTAU both towns are on the island Kiautschou
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The German leased territory of Kiautschau around a bay in China included the city Tsingtao (now Qingdao). The Germans built a railroad to Tsinanfu (now Jinan) and opened concessions in Tsinanfu, which was still Chinese territory. The RR was finished in 1904.
Could the cancel with both names be railway related? Kiautschau had its own stamps, but maybe not postal stationery since the generic Offices in China type was used.
Spent a day in Qingdao several years ago. Fascinating city - it's Chinese of course, but there are many German-built buildins still there. On a couple of steets, you think you're in Bavaria, not China. One of the largest of the German buildings is the original Tsingtao Brewery - trust the Germans to get the important buildings done first. Don't know if any active brewing still goes on there. Tsingtao Beer is exported to the US, and you can probably find it in a well-stocked beer section. It's reall pretty good.
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As stated by PhilaStore and dollhaus :
Schantung - Bahn
The Shandong-Bahn, (in German literature also Schantung- or Shantung-Bahn), is a railway line in China,
which connects Qingdao with the provincial capital Jinan in the Chinese province of Sh?nd?ng, about 400 km west.
Map of the railway line of the Schantung Railway between Tsingtau and Tsinanfu from 1912
The postalcard above is posted to Dr. Kösters, Tringtan
Address : Catholic mission house.
And you can find almost anything on Google :
So Dr. Kösters was a Pastor at the Mission House (says this addressbook from 1910).
P.S.
The postcard is from German post office abroad China and NOT from Kiautschou.
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What a great card...back when the internet was a new world ..my wife found me a postcard at a fleamarket from German New Guinea with a seapost cancel..i showed it on the net and one fellow said...thats a $225 card. I said send me $150 and its yours...he did.
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Saw this seal of the Schantung railway on Wikipedia
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You may have already found the answer, but the postal cancellation on the railway is similar to the one in the catalog I received a few days ago.
It doesn't look very good but you can compare it with the one in the catalog.
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He Gerom,
How is the Catalog called?
Maybe an ISBN number?
Picture of the front side?
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Hi HockeyNut,
The catalog is part of a very, very nice batch of books donated by a member of the "stampcommunity".
It took 3 months to reach me and when I had no hope they arrived last week.
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This is a german SPO-dater introduced in 1886 to the Far East and rare on old Koban. - The oval bilingual one is considered a private marking done by some philatelic minded staff of the Imperial Maritime Customs - it is not a postmark. - There was a chinese p.o. in Tsingtau from 1899, which used tombstone postmark
the japanese marines overan Tsingtao using rabbits to breach the german minefield. Garrison surrendered after exhausting ammunition.
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I found in the catalog this type of cancellation, but quoted only for application on DR or DP China stamps.
With the letter "a" the quota is very high (1000/4000 Euro on stamp / cover).
I did not find any reference for application on Japanese stamps.
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This cancel is also found on Hong Kong stamps:
(image from eBay, not my stamp)
This one below is from my collection:
Regards,
Linus
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Gerom,
Thanks for all the info of that catalog. 
Those other catalogs are very interesting too.
I own the one from Horst Landmann.
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HockeyNut,
Not knowing German I have a hard time translating comments from catalogs.
For example, with the cancellation of Linus (with letter "e"), a whole list appears in the catalog. I couldn't find what the word before the time period represents. Is it the name of the ship carrying the correspondence?
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Yep,
That are all ship names.
But be carefull a lot of those names are used many times in different periods.
For example : SCHARNHORST
Großer Kreuzer SMS Scharnhorst (1906–1914), Kaiserliche Marine
SMS_Scharnhorst photo by Arthur Renard
Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1936-1943), Deutsche Kriegsmarine
Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst photo Bundesarchiv DVM 10
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Another example : GNEISENAU
Armored cruiser SMS Gneisenau (1906 - 1914) Kaiserliche Marine
SMS Gneisenau photographer UNKNOWN
Schlachtschiff Gneisenau (1936-1945) Deutsche Kriegsmarine
Schlachtschiff Gneisenau photo BundesArchiv DVM 10
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"This cancel is also found on Hong Kong stamps:
(image from eBay, not my stamp)
This one below is from my collection:
Regards,
Linus"
His picture shows :
PREISE GELTEN AUF MARKEN DES DEUTSCHES REICHES
What Gerom is trying to say is that the prices in that catalog are only valid when the cancelations are on GERMAN stamps.
So on NON-german stamps there are other prices, but the catalog does not mention them.
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Thank you HockeyNut.
Of course I also searched for the names in the catalog post and found an excellent site: "norwayheritage"
Print-screen with” SCHARNHORST : Purchase a copy?
??.
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And so now Linus can see that the Hong Kong Stamp he found on eBay was cancelled at the SMS Hamburg
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Nice picture, HockeyNut, thanks for sharing. I will add some additional info in regards to the use of these cancellations on Hong Kong adhesives.
In my small, personal, philatelic library, I have this book by Colonel Francis Webb:
On page 363 of this book, the German mailboat service is explained as to the usage of these cancellations on Hong Kong stamps, but it did not explain in detail what the small letter in the cancel was used for, but now I know. Covers with these cancels on Hong Kong stamps are not common.
Linus
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(If admin thinks this post would be better in either the Germany or China topics, please feel free to relocate it.)
This postal card was in my possession briefly back in 2002. I have never tried to decipher the information on the card or research the history of the German concession at Kiautschou.
The cancel over the indicium includes TSINGTAU TSINANFU. The other cancel is TSINGTAU, KIAUTSCHOU.
I am sure others can add considerably more to the story behind this card.
Tom
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
the oval cancellation is a railroad cancel the other one a regular post office cancel you need to check the date on the 2 cancels the round one probably a receiving cancellation. Card was mailed from TSINANFU to TSINGTAU both towns are on the island Kiautschou
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
The German leased territory of Kiautschau around a bay in China included the city Tsingtao (now Qingdao). The Germans built a railroad to Tsinanfu (now Jinan) and opened concessions in Tsinanfu, which was still Chinese territory. The RR was finished in 1904.
Could the cancel with both names be railway related? Kiautschau had its own stamps, but maybe not postal stationery since the generic Offices in China type was used.
Spent a day in Qingdao several years ago. Fascinating city - it's Chinese of course, but there are many German-built buildins still there. On a couple of steets, you think you're in Bavaria, not China. One of the largest of the German buildings is the original Tsingtao Brewery - trust the Germans to get the important buildings done first. Don't know if any active brewing still goes on there. Tsingtao Beer is exported to the US, and you can probably find it in a well-stocked beer section. It's reall pretty good.
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
As stated by PhilaStore and dollhaus :
Schantung - Bahn
The Shandong-Bahn, (in German literature also Schantung- or Shantung-Bahn), is a railway line in China,
which connects Qingdao with the provincial capital Jinan in the Chinese province of Sh?nd?ng, about 400 km west.
Map of the railway line of the Schantung Railway between Tsingtau and Tsinanfu from 1912
The postalcard above is posted to Dr. Kösters, Tringtan
Address : Catholic mission house.
And you can find almost anything on Google :
So Dr. Kösters was a Pastor at the Mission House (says this addressbook from 1910).
P.S.
The postcard is from German post office abroad China and NOT from Kiautschou.
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What a great card...back when the internet was a new world ..my wife found me a postcard at a fleamarket from German New Guinea with a seapost cancel..i showed it on the net and one fellow said...thats a $225 card. I said send me $150 and its yours...he did.
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
Saw this seal of the Schantung railway on Wikipedia
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08:53:13am
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You may have already found the answer, but the postal cancellation on the railway is similar to the one in the catalog I received a few days ago.
It doesn't look very good but you can compare it with the one in the catalog.
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He Gerom,
How is the Catalog called?
Maybe an ISBN number?
Picture of the front side?
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Hi HockeyNut,
The catalog is part of a very, very nice batch of books donated by a member of the "stampcommunity".
It took 3 months to reach me and when I had no hope they arrived last week.
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
This is a german SPO-dater introduced in 1886 to the Far East and rare on old Koban. - The oval bilingual one is considered a private marking done by some philatelic minded staff of the Imperial Maritime Customs - it is not a postmark. - There was a chinese p.o. in Tsingtau from 1899, which used tombstone postmark
the japanese marines overan Tsingtao using rabbits to breach the german minefield. Garrison surrendered after exhausting ammunition.
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
I found in the catalog this type of cancellation, but quoted only for application on DR or DP China stamps.
With the letter "a" the quota is very high (1000/4000 Euro on stamp / cover).
I did not find any reference for application on Japanese stamps.
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
This cancel is also found on Hong Kong stamps:
(image from eBay, not my stamp)
This one below is from my collection:
Regards,
Linus
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Gerom,
Thanks for all the info of that catalog.
Those other catalogs are very interesting too.
I own the one from Horst Landmann.
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11:09:41am
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HockeyNut,
Not knowing German I have a hard time translating comments from catalogs.
For example, with the cancellation of Linus (with letter "e"), a whole list appears in the catalog. I couldn't find what the word before the time period represents. Is it the name of the ship carrying the correspondence?
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
Yep,
That are all ship names.
But be carefull a lot of those names are used many times in different periods.
For example : SCHARNHORST
Großer Kreuzer SMS Scharnhorst (1906–1914), Kaiserliche Marine
SMS_Scharnhorst photo by Arthur Renard
Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1936-1943), Deutsche Kriegsmarine
Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst photo Bundesarchiv DVM 10
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Another example : GNEISENAU
Armored cruiser SMS Gneisenau (1906 - 1914) Kaiserliche Marine
SMS Gneisenau photographer UNKNOWN
Schlachtschiff Gneisenau (1936-1945) Deutsche Kriegsmarine
Schlachtschiff Gneisenau photo BundesArchiv DVM 10
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
"This cancel is also found on Hong Kong stamps:
(image from eBay, not my stamp)
This one below is from my collection:
Regards,
Linus"
His picture shows :
PREISE GELTEN AUF MARKEN DES DEUTSCHES REICHES
What Gerom is trying to say is that the prices in that catalog are only valid when the cancelations are on GERMAN stamps.
So on NON-german stamps there are other prices, but the catalog does not mention them.
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03:00:16am
re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
Thank you HockeyNut.
Of course I also searched for the names in the catalog post and found an excellent site: "norwayheritage"
Print-screen with” SCHARNHORST : Purchase a copy?
??.
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
And so now Linus can see that the Hong Kong Stamp he found on eBay was cancelled at the SMS Hamburg
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re: German postal card with (1905?) CHINA overprint from Tsingtau, Kiautschou
Nice picture, HockeyNut, thanks for sharing. I will add some additional info in regards to the use of these cancellations on Hong Kong adhesives.
In my small, personal, philatelic library, I have this book by Colonel Francis Webb:
On page 363 of this book, the German mailboat service is explained as to the usage of these cancellations on Hong Kong stamps, but it did not explain in detail what the small letter in the cancel was used for, but now I know. Covers with these cancels on Hong Kong stamps are not common.
Linus
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