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United States/Covers & Postmarks : Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

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08 Feb 2019
09:39:32am
Have pretty much come to a dead end on this one - went through Skinner & Eno, Cole, Stampsmarter, etc. Probably just missed it but if someone has come across it before help would certainly be appreciated.

I did darken the image a bit to better show the cancel. Stamp is nicely centered for a 65 and it has a military address.

Thanks for the assistance

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09 Feb 2019
09:28:48pm

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re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

Carol,

I searched thru Hurst-Sampson's "19th Century U.S. Fancy Cancels",

Loso/Windt's "20th Century U.S. Fancy Cancels"

and "U.S. Postmarks And Cancellations" by the Philatelic Foundation

and I found not a single hourglass cancel of any description;

however, I did find a couple of negative anchor cancels that - to my eye -

look as if they MIGHT be similar.

I created a reverse-color image in paint of your posted image and it COULD be possible...??


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Then again, I could be totally wrong...



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09 Feb 2019
09:39:05pm
re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

It looks like a four point star cancel.

Vince

Check this site page 67, GE-R 49

https://d2jf3tgwe889fp.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/CL-TP-SKINNER-ENO-United-States-Cancellations-1845-1869-Skinner-and-Eno-Bookmarked.pdf

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09 Feb 2019
09:47:03pm
re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

Thanks - interesting what you can do with paint to come up with a more recognizable image. Will sift through stuff again..... Since it's from NY it is doubtful it has escaped identification although in going through Stampsmarter I found a bunch of early cancels I had in my question boxes identified as NY Foreign mail. I know the later ones (1870's) but had no idea of the earlier ones.....

Also just remembered I have several Billigs on the shelf, some of which have fancies in them.

Thanks again.

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09 Feb 2019
10:02:41pm
re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

And certainly looks like GE-R-49 with a circle, partial circle, or damaged circle around it...

Thanks

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10 Feb 2019
04:31:45am
re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

Hi Carol,
I think using RetroReveal is the best way to enhance a weak cancel. RetroReveal is a free online service which works by splitting the color channels. (This can also be done in some graphics applications like PhotoShop, but RetroReveal is much easier to work with for most folks.)
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Unlike many image manipulations, I like splitting the color channels because it is not ‘adding’ graphical information but rather is ‘removing’ graphical information. By splitting out the color channels, the isolation often assists us in seeing what is really there.
I wrote a short ‘How To’ article on RetroReveal (with link to RetroReveal) here

http://stampsmarter.com/learning/HowToUseRetroReveal.html
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10 Feb 2019
05:58:08am
re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

Thank you very much Don. I am beginning to go to your site more and more often BEFORE asking questions and am always amazed at the amount of information available and how easy it is to find. It is the gold standard of what a reference website should be and a treasure for serious philatelists.

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10 Feb 2019
08:21:32am
re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

Hi Carol,
Thank you for the kind words.
I was not able to find a double circle duplex exactly like yours for NYC but found this similar 1863 duplex.

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And here are some other cancels from NY and the same era which are also similar.

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10 Feb 2019
08:42:31am

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re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

Don,

Thanks for the info on the Retroreveal site - I'm all signed up and using it now!


How did you get the black & white cancel image graphically removed from the stamp?

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10 Feb 2019
09:09:15am
re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

Hi Randall,
I started with the RetroReveal site image, and then used PhotoShop to manually cut away the things I could detect by eye.
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10 Feb 2019
09:20:36am
re: Hourglass cancel - 1860's ?

I agree with Don regarding RetroReveal. I've used the site several times in recent years to reveal otherwise unrecognizable information on stamps and early 20th century real photo postcards. RetroReveal doesn't always help, but it is more successful than any other option I've tried.

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