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05 Feb 2019
09:00:28pm
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Unless there was a postal treaty that I missed - hardly impossible, but I'll go with this, anyway - one of these things does not belong with the other.

Having worked the US mail, decades ago, my guess is that this is a simple matter of benign neglect.

Neglect is easy: the clerk applying the cancel, and the clerk sorting the mail, paid attention to the US address, and just didn't notice the stamp.

Benign is easy, too: "oh, who cares, at least they paid somebody ... its not like they're stealing".

(Before you get snarky about the 'benign', think of how many times your letter carrier delivered poorly-addressed mail.)

Folks who've never lived in some of the less-formal countries have a hard time with this sort of thing; those of us who've lived in more than one do not even skip a beat.

Of course, I've been thinking that some tourist put 'the wrong stamp' on a postcard that they mailed home from Puerto Rico.

Perhaps the tourist:

- bought the postcard on Puerto Rico, and
- traveled to the Dominican Republic, and
- bought a stamp in the Dominican Republic, and
- dropped the postcard into the mail at a DR post office, and
- the DR PO never postmarked or canceled the postcard, but
- the DR PO sent all of its outbound mail (or just all of its US-bound mail) thru the US PO in Puerto Rico, and
- that's where this piece got postmarked & canceled.

(More than one small country passed all of their outbound mail en masse to a larger neighbor.)

Q/ Any thoughts?

Q/ Any covers or cards in your collection with stamps from one country that were only postmarked & canceled in another?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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06 Feb 2019
12:19:42am
re: Other People's Stamps on Other People's Mail

One more possibility, that it was a "paquebot" card, mailed on a cruise ship and deposited with the post office at the next port of call.

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06 Feb 2019
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From time to time I receive a piece of mail from another country which was never cancelled there, but ends up being cancelled & postmarked here.

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jmh67

06 Feb 2019
02:18:23pm
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I take it the card is addressed to some place in the USA? Customarily any postal administration or office who noticed an uncancelled stamp was supposed to cancel it. I've seen German cancels on Bulgarian and Norwegian stamps, so there is a possibility of the postcard to have been posted in the Dominican Republic. However, in this case it seems to have been underpaid - AFAIK green stamps were meant for domestic postcards and international printed matter of the first weight step, and an international postcard should have carried a red stamp (UPU colors). I think it more likely that the sender (intentionally or not, we'll never learn) simply used an R. D. stamp in place of a U. S. one.

Martin

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2010ccg

06 Feb 2019
05:15:17pm
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I receive mail frequently from the UK that is cancelled only once in Halifax NS

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jmh67

07 Feb 2019
01:53:03pm
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Here's a letter from Norway that was cancelled in Germany almost at the last opportunity (maybe the second-to-last one):

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You might wonder why there is a British air mail sticker on it. That was because it was a return envelope, and the person who prepared it had been in the UK not long before. I'm pretty sure the letter was posted in Norway. 9 NKK look OK for postage in 2003, but for whatever reason the Norwegians did not bother to postmark it, but the sorting center on the recipients' side (Briefzentrum 09 is the mail center for the Chemnitz region) noticed it and applied their postmark.

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05 Feb 2019
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Unless there was a postal treaty that I missed - hardly impossible, but I'll go with this, anyway - one of these things does not belong with the other.

Having worked the US mail, decades ago, my guess is that this is a simple matter of benign neglect.

Neglect is easy: the clerk applying the cancel, and the clerk sorting the mail, paid attention to the US address, and just didn't notice the stamp.

Benign is easy, too: "oh, who cares, at least they paid somebody ... its not like they're stealing".

(Before you get snarky about the 'benign', think of how many times your letter carrier delivered poorly-addressed mail.)

Folks who've never lived in some of the less-formal countries have a hard time with this sort of thing; those of us who've lived in more than one do not even skip a beat.

Of course, I've been thinking that some tourist put 'the wrong stamp' on a postcard that they mailed home from Puerto Rico.

Perhaps the tourist:

- bought the postcard on Puerto Rico, and
- traveled to the Dominican Republic, and
- bought a stamp in the Dominican Republic, and
- dropped the postcard into the mail at a DR post office, and
- the DR PO never postmarked or canceled the postcard, but
- the DR PO sent all of its outbound mail (or just all of its US-bound mail) thru the US PO in Puerto Rico, and
- that's where this piece got postmarked & canceled.

(More than one small country passed all of their outbound mail en masse to a larger neighbor.)

Q/ Any thoughts?

Q/ Any covers or cards in your collection with stamps from one country that were only postmarked & canceled in another?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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06 Feb 2019
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re: Other People's Stamps on Other People's Mail

One more possibility, that it was a "paquebot" card, mailed on a cruise ship and deposited with the post office at the next port of call.

Roy


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re: Other People's Stamps on Other People's Mail

From time to time I receive a piece of mail from another country which was never cancelled there, but ends up being cancelled & postmarked here.

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jmh67

06 Feb 2019
02:18:23pm

re: Other People's Stamps on Other People's Mail

I take it the card is addressed to some place in the USA? Customarily any postal administration or office who noticed an uncancelled stamp was supposed to cancel it. I've seen German cancels on Bulgarian and Norwegian stamps, so there is a possibility of the postcard to have been posted in the Dominican Republic. However, in this case it seems to have been underpaid - AFAIK green stamps were meant for domestic postcards and international printed matter of the first weight step, and an international postcard should have carried a red stamp (UPU colors). I think it more likely that the sender (intentionally or not, we'll never learn) simply used an R. D. stamp in place of a U. S. one.

Martin

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2010ccg

06 Feb 2019
05:15:17pm

re: Other People's Stamps on Other People's Mail

I receive mail frequently from the UK that is cancelled only once in Halifax NS

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jmh67

07 Feb 2019
01:53:03pm

re: Other People's Stamps on Other People's Mail

Here's a letter from Norway that was cancelled in Germany almost at the last opportunity (maybe the second-to-last one):

Image Not Found

You might wonder why there is a British air mail sticker on it. That was because it was a return envelope, and the person who prepared it had been in the UK not long before. I'm pretty sure the letter was posted in Norway. 9 NKK look OK for postage in 2003, but for whatever reason the Norwegians did not bother to postmark it, but the sorting center on the recipients' side (Briefzentrum 09 is the mail center for the Chemnitz region) noticed it and applied their postmark.

-jmh

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