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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Red pencil lines across censored mail

 

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17 Jan 2019
06:22:44pm
I have been collecting patriotic cancels and notice a few that I have seen posted on ebay that have red pencil lines on the covers Most of those lines are on censored covers. . Is this a way of censorship?
Does it increase or decrease the value of the cover? Thanks for any info
Cheryl
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17 Jan 2019
09:28:28pm
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

Can you copy a sample picture and upload it?

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18 Jan 2019
07:11:48am
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

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18 Jan 2019
07:14:08am
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

The crossed lines indicate that it's a registered item.

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18 Jan 2019
08:20:22am
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

More frequently seen in blue.

It dates from the very old days when important letters were tied in a blue ribbon.

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It has nothing to do with censorship.

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18 Jan 2019
08:24:08am
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

It even shows up as part of a philatelic cachet:

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It is a very British "thing" that spread throughout the Commonwealth.

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2010ccg

18 Jan 2019
11:04:28am
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

Thankyou Roy... I have seen the envelopes with the blue lines as well..
Does it add to the value of a cover? or does it depend on the collector?
I was wondering if it would deter or add to the Patriotic Display ?

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18 Jan 2019
11:09:52am
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

In my mind, it neither adds nor detracts. It is part of what it is.

I believe registered covers, in general, would add to a display of patriotic covers.

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18 Jan 2019
02:49:08pm
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

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One often sees clearly philatelic covers sent as registered mail.

You have to wonder 'why', as the registry markings & endorsements rarely made the cover more attractive or presentable, and registered mail, in & of itself, was hardly rare.

My guess is that the registration was most likely to deter theft ... not because theft was all that likely, but because the sender festooning those covers with excess postage was going to be the one person in any crowd who thought that the cover would be irresistible to mere mortals.

Cheers,

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18 Jan 2019
03:43:11pm
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

Registered items were also handled separately so I expect they were much less likely to be damaged than ordinary mail.

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19 Jan 2019
07:30:04am
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

An example of a ribbon-wrapped registered mail cover from Great Britain.

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19 Jan 2019
09:17:17am
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That's a beauty Smauggie. Do you own it?

Small correction: it's Australian, not Great Britain.

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19 Jan 2019
02:50:20pm
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

"... Registered items were also handled separately so I expect they were much less likely to be damaged than ordinary mail ..."



Yes, and no.

When I was delivering mail, decades ago, registered mail was moved between post offices in its own locked bag.

The fewer pieces you had in that bag, the more likely the bag was to fold over & damage the cover.

Moreover, registered items are handled each time they are handed-over, as they are logged & signed for, one-by-one, again & again.

All that handling is more handling than is afforded ordinary mail, and every time you lay hands on a piece of mail is another chance to dirty it, drop it, step on it, etc.

Today, of course, all bets are off: anything that keeps your mail out of the high-speed high-bending automatic facer-cancelers is gonna be a good thing.

Cheers,

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20 Jan 2019
09:16:27am
re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

Thanks Roy. I certainly wish I did own it, but it is just a public domain image I found to show what registered covers originally looked like.

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17 Jan 2019
06:22:44pm

I have been collecting patriotic cancels and notice a few that I have seen posted on ebay that have red pencil lines on the covers Most of those lines are on censored covers. . Is this a way of censorship?
Does it increase or decrease the value of the cover? Thanks for any info
Cheryl

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17 Jan 2019
09:28:28pm

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

Can you copy a sample picture and upload it?

Roy

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2010ccg

18 Jan 2019
07:11:48am

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

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18 Jan 2019
07:14:08am

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

The crossed lines indicate that it's a registered item.

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18 Jan 2019
08:20:22am

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

More frequently seen in blue.

It dates from the very old days when important letters were tied in a blue ribbon.

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It has nothing to do with censorship.

Roy

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"Over 7,000 new covers coming Wednesday March 20. See my homepage for details."

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18 Jan 2019
08:24:08am

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

It even shows up as part of a philatelic cachet:

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It is a very British "thing" that spread throughout the Commonwealth.

Image Not Found

Image Not Found

Roy


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"Over 7,000 new covers coming Wednesday March 20. See my homepage for details."

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2010ccg

18 Jan 2019
11:04:28am

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

Thankyou Roy... I have seen the envelopes with the blue lines as well..
Does it add to the value of a cover? or does it depend on the collector?
I was wondering if it would deter or add to the Patriotic Display ?

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18 Jan 2019
11:09:52am

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

In my mind, it neither adds nor detracts. It is part of what it is.

I believe registered covers, in general, would add to a display of patriotic covers.

Roy

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18 Jan 2019
02:49:08pm

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

.
One often sees clearly philatelic covers sent as registered mail.

You have to wonder 'why', as the registry markings & endorsements rarely made the cover more attractive or presentable, and registered mail, in & of itself, was hardly rare.

My guess is that the registration was most likely to deter theft ... not because theft was all that likely, but because the sender festooning those covers with excess postage was going to be the one person in any crowd who thought that the cover would be irresistible to mere mortals.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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18 Jan 2019
03:43:11pm

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

Registered items were also handled separately so I expect they were much less likely to be damaged than ordinary mail.

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19 Jan 2019
07:30:04am

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

An example of a ribbon-wrapped registered mail cover from Great Britain.

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BuckaCover.com - 80,000 covers priced 60c to $1.50 - Easy browsing 500 categories
19 Jan 2019
09:17:17am

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

That's a beauty Smauggie. Do you own it?

Small correction: it's Australian, not Great Britain.

Roy

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"Over 7,000 new covers coming Wednesday March 20. See my homepage for details."

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ikeyPikey

19 Jan 2019
02:50:20pm

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

"... Registered items were also handled separately so I expect they were much less likely to be damaged than ordinary mail ..."



Yes, and no.

When I was delivering mail, decades ago, registered mail was moved between post offices in its own locked bag.

The fewer pieces you had in that bag, the more likely the bag was to fold over & damage the cover.

Moreover, registered items are handled each time they are handed-over, as they are logged & signed for, one-by-one, again & again.

All that handling is more handling than is afforded ordinary mail, and every time you lay hands on a piece of mail is another chance to dirty it, drop it, step on it, etc.

Today, of course, all bets are off: anything that keeps your mail out of the high-speed high-bending automatic facer-cancelers is gonna be a good thing.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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20 Jan 2019
09:16:27am

re: Red pencil lines across censored mail

Thanks Roy. I certainly wish I did own it, but it is just a public domain image I found to show what registered covers originally looked like.

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