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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Star of David! Baffled!

 

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08 Dec 2018
09:39:07pm

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No value on stamp. Has a Star of David. Obviously issued before State of Israel (1948)
Is it a stamp? If so what country?Image Not Found

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TribalErnie

08 Dec 2018
10:06:49pm
re: Star of David! Baffled!

Jewish National Fund label?

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09 Dec 2018
12:34:42am
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Hard to imagine a JNF/KKL label without their name on it.

Lots of local organizations sold labels - or used them to show payment of dues, etc - without having the resources to have something custom printed.

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09 Dec 2018
01:20:58am
re: Star of David! Baffled!

1901-2 Ephraim Moses Lilien
Stamp for the Jewish National Fund
Vienna

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Zion.html

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TribalErnie

09 Dec 2018
05:12:13am
re: Star of David! Baffled!

Hahaha! I knew it! I guess gloating is bad form. Hee hee

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09 Dec 2018
08:35:32pm
re: Star of David! Baffled!

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Gloat away, lad, gloat away.I Don't Want To See

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10 Dec 2018
04:47:25am
re: Star of David! Baffled!

Below is an example Pane of 10 from the JNF Overseas Offices in Paris.


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TribalErnie

10 Dec 2018
05:34:45am
re: Star of David! Baffled!

IkeyPikey,
Does the Bale catalogue only cover Israel proper? think Judaica is an absolutely fascinating area of the hobby. They didn't even have a country until 1948 but as we see from this thread it goes much deeper than that.

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10 Dec 2018
09:05:40am
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Ernie: gonna have to let someone who has seen a copy of Beal's answer your question.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who has added this to his short list of things to do at his local philatelic library)

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10 Dec 2018
03:28:39pm
re: Star of David! Baffled!

The three Bale catalogues cover the postal history and stamps of the Ottoman Empire period (1840-1919), the Palestine Mandate (1918-1948) and modern Israel (1948-present).

None of these include the JNFF/KKL labels, except for a small number of these labels that were overprinted for postal use during April and May 1948, the "interim" period between the closure of the Palestine Mandate post offices and the issuance of Doar Ivri (Hebrew Post) stamps which are listed in the Israel catalogue.

The JNF specific catalogues that I am aware of are:
* Rochlin's handbook of the issues of the Jewish National Fund which is apparently a large in excess of 600 page catalogue. Currently in print it is available from http://israelstamps.com/product/rochlin-handbook-of-the-issues-of-the-jnf/
* Stamp catalogue of the Jewish National Fund by Jay L. Kaplove, I don't know whether this is still in print, but a rather tatty 1973 edition is currently listed on eBay
* Catalogue of the Jewish National Fund stamps 1902 - 1950 by Eng. Jsidor Simon. A thin 20 page pamphlet.
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10 Dec 2018
07:42:16pm
re: Star of David! Baffled!

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From The Israel Philatelist, journal of the Society of Israel Philatelists, Volume 62, Number 4, August 2011, Page 12:

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Now go try & find a copy.

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/s/ ikeyPikey

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11 Dec 2018
02:42:53am
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"Does the Bale catalogue only cover Israel proper?"


"gonna have to let someone who has seen a copy of Beal's answer your question"



I mistakenly thought that your Beal was a Bale typo - obviously not Happy thanks for the clarification.
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11 Dec 2018
02:49:04am
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I'd never heard of Beal's so thanks for that info. I have a Phillips Catalogue on CD but would love to get one of those Rochlin Catalogues. I much prefer the paper types.
I have a JNF list from the Organization head office here in Jerusalem but it's a bit dated and they no longer produce them. The list follows the Kaplove number system.

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ikeyPikey
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11 Dec 2018
10:54:21am
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"... I mistakenly thought that your Beal was a Bale typo ..."



I've been accused of worse and, speaking of worse, for a moment there, I thought you were right.At Wits End

http://israelstamps.com/product/rochlin-handbook-of-the-issues-of-the-jnf/ ... they are selling their current stock of Rochlin (down to a handful) with damaged covers for U$D 65 ... with the next printing, the price goes up to U$D 95.

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/s/ ikeyPikey (who has got one in the mail)

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11 Dec 2018
11:33:21am
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"they are selling their current stock of Rochlin (down to a handful) with damaged covers for U$D 65 ... with the next printing, the price goes up to U$D 95."


Unfortunately the catalogues ship from the US, shipping to Canada is an eye watering US$75. Even with damaged cover this places it in the severely unaffordable category.
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TribalErnie

11 Dec 2018
03:15:40pm
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Neither the APS Library nor the Rocky Mountain Philatic library have the Beals catalogue. I wouldn't want to add it as a collecting area but I would like to see the catalogue.

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clivel
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11 Dec 2018
03:41:20pm
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"Neither the APS Library nor the Rocky Mountain Philatic library have the Beals catalogue."


Oh that reminds me, the Rocky Mountain Philatelic library released a video called "JNF - Labels With A Purpose"
It is a good introduction to these stamps.

EDITED: I removed the Youtube link I had previously included here, for some reason it was not working. Instead please refer to Don's post below.

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11 Dec 2018
03:53:03pm
re: Star of David! Baffled!

Hi Clive,
Your RMPL video link is broken, but folks can access at their website or here
http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Home_General.html

RWPL makes some very good videos.
Don

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11 Dec 2018
04:50:13pm
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Thanks Don,
The link worked when pasted into the browser bar, but for some reason not from the forum. At least it is accessible from your very useful site.
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19 Dec 2018
11:53:43pm
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Stamps, shmamps.

The contents of the two parcels were:

- Rochlin's Handbook of the Issues of the Jewish National Fund

- Courlander's A History of Jewish Arts and Crafts on the Postage Stamps of Israel

- Aizenberg's Postcards From The Holy Land: A Pictorial History of the Ottoman Era, 1880-1918

https://israelstamps.com/bookstore/ ... all from the Society of Israel Philatelists (SIP) bookstore

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who had to go looking for the damage - a minor corner bump - on the Rochlin)

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08 Dec 2018
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No value on stamp. Has a Star of David. Obviously issued before State of Israel (1948)
Is it a stamp? If so what country?Image Not Found

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TribalErnie

08 Dec 2018
10:06:49pm

re: Star of David! Baffled!

Jewish National Fund label?

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ikeyPikey

09 Dec 2018
12:34:42am

re: Star of David! Baffled!

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Hard to imagine a JNF/KKL label without their name on it.

Lots of local organizations sold labels - or used them to show payment of dues, etc - without having the resources to have something custom printed.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who has recently begun looking for a copy of Beal's Jewish Charity Seals)

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09 Dec 2018
01:20:58am

re: Star of David! Baffled!

1901-2 Ephraim Moses Lilien
Stamp for the Jewish National Fund
Vienna

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Zion.html

Don

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TribalErnie

09 Dec 2018
05:12:13am

re: Star of David! Baffled!

Hahaha! I knew it! I guess gloating is bad form. Hee hee

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ikeyPikey

09 Dec 2018
08:35:32pm

re: Star of David! Baffled!

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Gloat away, lad, gloat away.I Don't Want To See

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who has added "inventory JNF/KKL labels without their name on them" to his Hobby ToDo list)

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londonbus1

10 Dec 2018
04:47:25am

re: Star of David! Baffled!

Below is an example Pane of 10 from the JNF Overseas Offices in Paris.


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TribalErnie

10 Dec 2018
05:34:45am

re: Star of David! Baffled!

IkeyPikey,
Does the Bale catalogue only cover Israel proper? think Judaica is an absolutely fascinating area of the hobby. They didn't even have a country until 1948 but as we see from this thread it goes much deeper than that.

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ikeyPikey

10 Dec 2018
09:05:40am

re: Star of David! Baffled!

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Ernie: gonna have to let someone who has seen a copy of Beal's answer your question.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who has added this to his short list of things to do at his local philatelic library)

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clivel

10 Dec 2018
03:28:39pm

re: Star of David! Baffled!

The three Bale catalogues cover the postal history and stamps of the Ottoman Empire period (1840-1919), the Palestine Mandate (1918-1948) and modern Israel (1948-present).

None of these include the JNFF/KKL labels, except for a small number of these labels that were overprinted for postal use during April and May 1948, the "interim" period between the closure of the Palestine Mandate post offices and the issuance of Doar Ivri (Hebrew Post) stamps which are listed in the Israel catalogue.

The JNF specific catalogues that I am aware of are:
* Rochlin's handbook of the issues of the Jewish National Fund which is apparently a large in excess of 600 page catalogue. Currently in print it is available from http://israelstamps.com/product/rochlin-handbook-of-the-issues-of-the-jnf/
* Stamp catalogue of the Jewish National Fund by Jay L. Kaplove, I don't know whether this is still in print, but a rather tatty 1973 edition is currently listed on eBay
* Catalogue of the Jewish National Fund stamps 1902 - 1950 by Eng. Jsidor Simon. A thin 20 page pamphlet.
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10 Dec 2018
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re: Star of David! Baffled!

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From The Israel Philatelist, journal of the Society of Israel Philatelists, Volume 62, Number 4, August 2011, Page 12:

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Now go try & find a copy.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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11 Dec 2018
02:42:53am

re: Star of David! Baffled!

"Does the Bale catalogue only cover Israel proper?"


"gonna have to let someone who has seen a copy of Beal's answer your question"



I mistakenly thought that your Beal was a Bale typo - obviously not Happy thanks for the clarification.
Clive

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11 Dec 2018
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re: Star of David! Baffled!

I'd never heard of Beal's so thanks for that info. I have a Phillips Catalogue on CD but would love to get one of those Rochlin Catalogues. I much prefer the paper types.
I have a JNF list from the Organization head office here in Jerusalem but it's a bit dated and they no longer produce them. The list follows the Kaplove number system.

Londonbus1

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ikeyPikey

11 Dec 2018
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re: Star of David! Baffled!

"... I mistakenly thought that your Beal was a Bale typo ..."



I've been accused of worse and, speaking of worse, for a moment there, I thought you were right.At Wits End

http://israelstamps.com/product/rochlin-handbook-of-the-issues-of-the-jnf/ ... they are selling their current stock of Rochlin (down to a handful) with damaged covers for U$D 65 ... with the next printing, the price goes up to U$D 95.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who has got one in the mail)

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11 Dec 2018
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re: Star of David! Baffled!

"they are selling their current stock of Rochlin (down to a handful) with damaged covers for U$D 65 ... with the next printing, the price goes up to U$D 95."


Unfortunately the catalogues ship from the US, shipping to Canada is an eye watering US$75. Even with damaged cover this places it in the severely unaffordable category.
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11 Dec 2018
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re: Star of David! Baffled!

Neither the APS Library nor the Rocky Mountain Philatic library have the Beals catalogue. I wouldn't want to add it as a collecting area but I would like to see the catalogue.

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11 Dec 2018
03:41:20pm

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"Neither the APS Library nor the Rocky Mountain Philatic library have the Beals catalogue."


Oh that reminds me, the Rocky Mountain Philatelic library released a video called "JNF - Labels With A Purpose"
It is a good introduction to these stamps.

EDITED: I removed the Youtube link I had previously included here, for some reason it was not working. Instead please refer to Don's post below.

Clive

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11 Dec 2018
03:53:03pm

re: Star of David! Baffled!

Hi Clive,
Your RMPL video link is broken, but folks can access at their website or here
http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Home_General.html

RWPL makes some very good videos.
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11 Dec 2018
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re: Star of David! Baffled!

Thanks Don,
The link worked when pasted into the browser bar, but for some reason not from the forum. At least it is accessible from your very useful site.
Clive

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19 Dec 2018
11:53:43pm

re: Star of David! Baffled!

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Stamps, shmamps.

The contents of the two parcels were:

- Rochlin's Handbook of the Issues of the Jewish National Fund

- Courlander's A History of Jewish Arts and Crafts on the Postage Stamps of Israel

- Aizenberg's Postcards From The Holy Land: A Pictorial History of the Ottoman Era, 1880-1918

https://israelstamps.com/bookstore/ ... all from the Society of Israel Philatelists (SIP) bookstore

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who had to go looking for the damage - a minor corner bump - on the Rochlin)

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