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forresterd
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05 Dec 2018
05:44:22pm
What is the significance of this hole in thie Bavarian stamp? It is also cancelled, so I would not think it is a way of cancelling a stamp. Any thoughts?
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05 Dec 2018
06:53:59pm
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forresterd - The stamp was most likely on an envelope that was punched as a type of filing system. We discussed this on a couple other threads here in the past, here is a link to one of them:

https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=18806#139992

Hope this helps,

Linus

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05 Dec 2018
09:44:09pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Thank you, Linus. I assume that the hole reduces the value of the stamp. Is that so?
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05 Dec 2018
10:04:25pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Yes. It is probably not worth much. Most collectors would prefer a copy of that stamp without a hole in it.

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05 Dec 2018
10:10:56pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

I assume that the hole reduces the value
of the stamp.


Not necessarily. Is it tied to the envelope
by the cancellation ? Sometimes a valid postal
usage may make it interesting.

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ikeyPikey
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05 Dec 2018
11:19:31pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

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I think that we are being way too cautious.

The question is about the value of the stamp, not the value of the cover.

A hole punch is catastrophic damage to the stamp.

You remove a hole-punched stamp from The Magna Carta and, once removed, it is just a hole-punched stamp, with a market value approaching zero ... never mind from which side of zero.

The cover might have some value (the image is now MIA) and, if you are keeping that cover - for whatever reason - you might as well leave that hole-punched stamp right where it is.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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06 Dec 2018
08:57:28am
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Thanks everyone. Appreciate your input very much. The stamp had been soaked off of the cover before I got it.

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09 Dec 2018
05:16:39pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Seems that someone stole your stamp.

Tad

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09 Dec 2018
08:20:09pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Q/ So the hole was bigger than the sum of its stamp?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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CF1957

11 Dec 2018
03:23:03pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Hole punched stamps generally indicate that they were used as revenues and in particular telegraph stamps
Some remainders were hole punched to prevent being reused
In some countries they are uncommon, in early Spain they are plentiful.
As to value it generally significantly reduces it.
Hungary released some issues with 3 holes that command higher values
Like everything else there are collectors who specifically look for these

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11 Dec 2018
06:45:54pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

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One sees a lot of hole-punched post & postal cards ... obviously for ease of mounting into binders and onto clipboards, and not for fear of reuse.

Similarly, I would expect to see document tax stamps, for example, to catch the occasional hole punch when a document was to be mounted in a binder or onto a clipboard.

In fact, I've seen "pull-hole" binders being used to store documents, during the 21st Century, abroad.

Hint: the pull-hole is so that you can make the shelves the exact height of the binders, reducing the opportunity for dust to collect inside the binder, while affording an opportunity for the clerk to insert a finger and pull that binder off of the shelf.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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11 Dec 2018
08:01:51pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

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From http://www.adventurebibleschool.com/the-kennedy-telegrams/ ... trippy story, too

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Even imaginary novelty birthday presents come with punched holes:

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Yet Another Filing System That Requires Hole-Punching:

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Lastly, here is a 1956 Western Union Telegram Ad entitled Make The Point Fast

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Okay, so, like, maybe, that last one not so much.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who sees telegrams getting hole-punched more often than he sees telegram tax stamps getting hole-punch-canceled)

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11 Dec 2018
08:29:31pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

" .... You remove a hole-punched stamp
from The Magna Carta and, once removed,
it is just a hole-punched stamp. ....


I was not aware that here were any
"hole-punched stamps" on the Magna Carta.
Talk about forerunners.

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12 Dec 2018
04:35:02pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

This is a 5sh Australia Kangaroo stamp sg#30 sc#44 with a Telegraph punched hole. Rob can tell you more about why they do this then I can. This is one in my collection.

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13 Dec 2018
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All of the discussion concerning "Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp" made me re-look at a Jamaican stamp I have with 3 holes. Any explanation(s)? Thank you.Image Not Found

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13 Dec 2018
03:40:59pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Yes, they look like worm holes.

I have seen them many times on covers from tropical areas. (I'd show an example, but they never make it into my stock.)

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13 Dec 2018
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Me thinks you may be right. I thought of roaches, but the holes would be more ragged. Thank you.

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14 Dec 2018
12:17:04am
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A unique wormhole variety. On to eBay !!!

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forresterd

05 Dec 2018
05:44:22pm

What is the significance of this hole in thie Bavarian stamp? It is also cancelled, so I would not think it is a way of cancelling a stamp. Any thoughts?

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05 Dec 2018
06:53:59pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

forresterd - The stamp was most likely on an envelope that was punched as a type of filing system. We discussed this on a couple other threads here in the past, here is a link to one of them:

https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=18806#139992

Hope this helps,

Linus

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05 Dec 2018
09:44:09pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Thank you, Linus. I assume that the hole reduces the value of the stamp. Is that so?
Don

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05 Dec 2018
10:04:25pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Yes. It is probably not worth much. Most collectors would prefer a copy of that stamp without a hole in it.

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05 Dec 2018
10:10:56pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

I assume that the hole reduces the value
of the stamp.


Not necessarily. Is it tied to the envelope
by the cancellation ? Sometimes a valid postal
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ikeyPikey

05 Dec 2018
11:19:31pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

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I think that we are being way too cautious.

The question is about the value of the stamp, not the value of the cover.

A hole punch is catastrophic damage to the stamp.

You remove a hole-punched stamp from The Magna Carta and, once removed, it is just a hole-punched stamp, with a market value approaching zero ... never mind from which side of zero.

The cover might have some value (the image is now MIA) and, if you are keeping that cover - for whatever reason - you might as well leave that hole-punched stamp right where it is.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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06 Dec 2018
08:57:28am

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Thanks everyone. Appreciate your input very much. The stamp had been soaked off of the cover before I got it.

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09 Dec 2018
05:16:39pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Seems that someone stole your stamp.

Tad

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ikeyPikey

09 Dec 2018
08:20:09pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Q/ So the hole was bigger than the sum of its stamp?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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11 Dec 2018
03:23:03pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Hole punched stamps generally indicate that they were used as revenues and in particular telegraph stamps
Some remainders were hole punched to prevent being reused
In some countries they are uncommon, in early Spain they are plentiful.
As to value it generally significantly reduces it.
Hungary released some issues with 3 holes that command higher values
Like everything else there are collectors who specifically look for these

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ikeyPikey

11 Dec 2018
06:45:54pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

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One sees a lot of hole-punched post & postal cards ... obviously for ease of mounting into binders and onto clipboards, and not for fear of reuse.

Similarly, I would expect to see document tax stamps, for example, to catch the occasional hole punch when a document was to be mounted in a binder or onto a clipboard.

In fact, I've seen "pull-hole" binders being used to store documents, during the 21st Century, abroad.

Hint: the pull-hole is so that you can make the shelves the exact height of the binders, reducing the opportunity for dust to collect inside the binder, while affording an opportunity for the clerk to insert a finger and pull that binder off of the shelf.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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11 Dec 2018
08:01:51pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

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From http://www.adventurebibleschool.com/the-kennedy-telegrams/ ... trippy story, too

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Even imaginary novelty birthday presents come with punched holes:

Image Not Found

Yet Another Filing System That Requires Hole-Punching:

Image Not Found

Lastly, here is a 1956 Western Union Telegram Ad entitled Make The Point Fast

Image Not Found

Okay, so, like, maybe, that last one not so much.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who sees telegrams getting hole-punched more often than he sees telegram tax stamps getting hole-punch-canceled)

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11 Dec 2018
08:29:31pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

" .... You remove a hole-punched stamp
from The Magna Carta and, once removed,
it is just a hole-punched stamp. ....


I was not aware that here were any
"hole-punched stamps" on the Magna Carta.
Talk about forerunners.

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12 Dec 2018
04:35:02pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

This is a 5sh Australia Kangaroo stamp sg#30 sc#44 with a Telegraph punched hole. Rob can tell you more about why they do this then I can. This is one in my collection.

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13 Dec 2018
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

All of the discussion concerning "Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp" made me re-look at a Jamaican stamp I have with 3 holes. Any explanation(s)? Thank you.Image Not Found

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13 Dec 2018
03:40:59pm

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Yes, they look like worm holes.

I have seen them many times on covers from tropical areas. (I'd show an example, but they never make it into my stock.)

Roy

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13 Dec 2018
03:55:12pm

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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

Me thinks you may be right. I thought of roaches, but the holes would be more ragged. Thank you.

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12:17:04am

re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp

A unique wormhole variety. On to eBay !!!

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