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UPDATE: Here is a summary, as of 12-17-18, of ERRORS reported in the Smithsonian pages (many thanks to all contributors):
Page 3 (see note on page 9)
Page 4 - Antigua and Barbuda - Precedent Country has a note: "Prior to 1986 see Netherlands Antillies". This makes no sense. Apparently it's a copy of the note that is correctly under Aruba on the following page.
Page 9 - Guatemala is most definitely NOT in the Caribbean. Guatemala belongs on page 3.
Page 13 - Argentina - Cordoba - should just be the single year of 1858
Page 13 - Argentina - Corrientes - Scott has an end date of 1880 instead of 1879.
Netherlands New Guinea appears twice, on page 88 and 108. Although not an error, it is inconsistent with the standard of only listing a single instance of a precedent country and adding a textual note for other instances. The problem arises from placing the entire island of Papau, instead of just the Eastern part (Papau New Guinea), in Oceania. I moved West Irian to Asia as a precedent country of Indonesia.
Pages 56 and 67 - Equatorial Guinea, which is bracketed by Cameroon and Gabon, both of which are listed in "Central Africa", is inexplicably found on page 67 under "Western Africa". Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that 3 other precedent countries for Equatorial Guinea (Fernando Po, Spanish Guinea, and Elobey, Annobon & Corisco) are incorrectly listed under Democratic Republic of the Congo (p 56).
Pages 77 and 86 - Sri Lanka is listed in Eastern Asia (page 77) and Mongolia is listed in Southern Asia (page 86). It would work out perfectly if those two were swapped.
Page 88 - This is where West Irian should go (see page 108).
Page 108 - Move West Irian to precedent country of Indonesia and remove Netherlands New Guinea as a duplicate (see p. 88).
Page 120 "Libya" is misspelled.
Page 121 Italy offices in Jerusalem is a duplicate from page 120. It is likely that this SHOULD be ITALY Aegean Islands.
Page 126 - "GREAT BRITAIN - British occupation of Togo after WWI" should be "FRANCE AND GREAT BRITAIN - Anglo-French occupation of Togo during and after WWI"
Page 127 - "RUSSIA - Russian occupation before WWI" should be "RUSSIA - Russian occupation of Turkey before WWI"
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BACK TO ORIGINAL POST:
I will start by addressing the first questions I had almost 5 years ago after going through the whole Smithsonian album. (See beginning of the prior thread "A stamp for every country"):
"1. Would "French Occupation of Mexico" simply be any of Mexico 26-34? "
Thank you Michael for confirming that is true.
"2. My album has a space for "British Occupation of Togo after WWI", but all I can find is a stamp that I would describe as "Anglo-French Occupation of Togo during and after WWI". Am I missing something?"
Again from Michael:
"Your comment on Item #2 is correct. The stamps are listed under Togo as a British Protectorate, Scott #33-91; French Occupation, Scott #151-192; and French Mandate, Scott #193-331."
It's up to each of you to decide whether or not to change the label on that page.
"3. Where can I find "French Legion fighting in Russia with the German Army?""
David provided a GREAT link which is now sadly defunct, and Michael pointed out that the stamps are not mentioned in Scott, but the stamps ARE listed in Michel:
"4. I also can't find two "Ukraine Government-In-Exile" stamps: One for mail from gov't to troops in field and another for a planned invasion which never took place."
Michael comes through, once again:
"Your item #4 is noted in Scott following Ukraine Scott #87. It is actually the third set of notes in the block. I did not find these mentioned in Michel."
This one is "For planned invasion...".
To find the one "To facilitate communications...", look at UKRAINE M1-M16.
Hope this helps.
Lars
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thanks for these.. The Ukraine issues were confusing and french volunteers I did not know about !
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thanks for these.. The Ukraine issues were confusing and french volunteers I did not know about !
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here's the article on LVF: https://stamporama.com/articles/display_article.php?id=RAdTEHE8XTX0. from our articles section. The DB question that prompted the article is, as Lars says, defunct. Pity.
All my LVF stamps are from SOR members, with my most recent acquisition from Jan-Simon auction.
they are still available via eBay, although slim pickings. one partial set (usually seen only with the 1942 issues) is here, with BIG flaws, but cheap. A similar set runs for $27: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SOLD-1942-FRANCE-LA-LEGION-DES-VOLANTAIRES-FRANCAIS-USED-VF-ESP-1249/361655850719?hash=item54345e56df:g:HlkAAOSwbsBXkiog:rk:2:pf:0
Lars, if this ruins your thread, please feel free to delete it
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Relating to Andorra. I wish to point that there's not such things as Spanish or French Administrations.
Andorra, is an independent country with an Andorran Administration. But its postal service is carried on by both the Spanish and French Post Offices.
So, in my view, the heading should be "Andorra" (Spanish P.O.) and "Andorra" (French P.O.)
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"Lars, if this ruins your thread, please feel free to delete it"
Not at all! I'm glad you could provide an updated link to that article.
"Relating to Andorra. I wish to point that there's not such things as Spanish or French Administrations."
Do you think they meant Spanish and French POSTAL Administrations (or Spanish and French Administration of the Postal Services)?
(I love your icon. I was in Barcelona last year. Just finishing an interesting biography of Gaudi).
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Hi Lars, I hope you enjoyed your time in Barcelona. I live halfway between Sagrada Familia and Park Güell, very often I pass by Casa Vicens (first Gaudi's House), la Pedrera and Casa Batlló. I also buy stamps on the Plaça Reial with Gaudi's lamps. So, this architect's work has always been my life's lanscape.
For sure, you know the meaning of my icon (Catalonia's Freedom figthing flag).I'm glad that you apreciate it. I'm heavily involved on the moviment.
As for Andorra, we should speak about two separate postal administrations, with their own buildings and stamps (now, all in €). They operate as indepently as their mother PO.
On the old times (when we used pessetes and francs) you could only use the corresponding currency to buy their stamps. We, did not always had French francs in our pocket, so we used the Spanish PO for sending postcards home.
I've an small Andorra Postal History compilation, with many covers and postcards to Catalonia, all bearing Andorra Spanish PO stamps. I supose that the same hapened with postcards sent to France.
So, the wording, should be Andorra Spanish and French Postal Administrations.
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Cursus,
"Andorra Spanish and French Postal Administrations" it is!
We took a taxi to Plaça de Catalunya and rented bicycles to ride past Mansana de la Discòrdia to see Casa Batlló, then to Casa Milà, and finally out to Sagrada Família. We got a glimpse of Torre Agbar on the way there. I met a Catalan photographer online named Llorenç Conejo who had a wonderful panoramic photo of Mansana de la Discòrdia. I arranged to meet him at Plaça de Catalunya and purchase a print that now proudly adorns the wall of my home office:
It doesn't look it from the image, but that photo is 150 cm (5 feet) across and every detail is as sharp as we saw when we were there. Llorenç is really good with a camera and it was a pleasure to make his acquaintance!
¡Visca el Barça i visca Catalunya!
Lars
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Lars,
Very nice picture of a unique vista. It is a nice plus having the opportunity to meet the photographer which personalizes the picture adding a memory connection!
Cursus,
Thanks for your background on the postal administrations and making the area come alive to us!
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Thank you very much for your nice words about our city and country.
Actually, what we call "Mansana de la discòrdia" is the track of Passeig de Gràcia (perhaps,the most important avenue of downtown Barcelona), between Consell de Cent and Aragó streets. On the lower part (Consell de Cent corner) you can see Casa Lleó-Morera from Lluis Domènech i Montaner, the fourth House is Casa Ametller by Josep Puig i Cadafalch and the fifth (and best known) is Gaudi's Casa Batlló.
Both three architects are the most famous ones of the Catalan Modernist style (our version of Jugenstin/Art Nouveau / Sezesion...). All of them, are very much liked by Barcelona's people. Personaly, I would find hard to decide which one I like the most.
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Thanks for the post about the French Legion fighting in Russia. Found one of the stamps in a miscellaneous collection of labels someone gave me today by sheerest coincidence and would not have known what it is without the post!
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OK, back to the topic at hand.
I want to point out two ERRORS on the North America pages:
Page 4 - Antigua and Barbuda - Precendent Country has a note: "Prior to 1986 see Netherlands Antillies". This makes no sense. Apparently it's a copy of the note that is correctly under Aruba on the following page.
Page 9 - Guatemala. Guadeloupe (prior page) is in the Caribbean, but Guatemala most definitely is NOT. Guatemala belongs on page 3.
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For a long time I have been searching for a new collecting focus (having been very specialized). Over time I have accumulated a wide variety of stamps and have decided to take the plunge and see how far I can get with this type of collection. I will discuss the alterations I am making in the other thread.
Here are a couple of errors I have found in the Smithsonian album:
1. On page 120 "Libya" is misspelled.
2. Italy offices in Jerusalem appears twice, on page 120 and 121.
3. Netherlands New Guinea also appears twice, on page 88 and 108.
Perhaps these have been already discussed earlier, and if so, I appologize.
Jan
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"Here are a couple of errors I have found in the Smithsonian album:
1. On page 120 "Libya" is misspelled."
Holy Cow! I can't believe I missed that one! Great catch!
"2. Italy offices in Jerusalem appears twice, on page 120 and 121."
Yes, I noticed that, too, and was going to bring it up later when we got to that part, but why not discuss it now! My take is that the second instance (p. 121) SHOULD HAVE BEEN Italy - Island of Karki. Any other thoughts?
"3. Netherlands New Guinea also appears twice, on page 88 and 108."
I doubt that I would have ever noticed that one. Excellent catch! Can anyone opine as to where it SHOULD be?
Also, on page 126, it seems that "GREAT BRITAIN British occupation of Togo after WWI" should be "FRANCE and GREAT BRITAIN Anglo-French occupation of Togo during and after WWI"
Does anyone else have any errors to report?
Many thanks to Jan for his valuable inputs!!!
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Thanks to Lars and others I've thoroughly enjoyed following this thread as well as the Expanded thread. I've been focusing on the Americas and would suggest that there may be at least one more simple error in addition to the mistaken placement of Guatemala in the Caribbean and incorrect precedent country (so often an awkward label) for Antigua. Under precedent countries for Argentina, I think the dates for issues from Cordoba are wrong. Shouldn't it just be the single year of 1858? My copy of Scott's Specialized supports that single year as does the recent article on the "Argentina Confederation issue" that appears in the November 19, 2018 issue of Linn's Stamp News. (Of course, that article raises the issue - more appropriate for the Expanded thread - of the definition of "precedent country" and which ones are included and excluded for several current countries in the Americas section of the Smithsonian album.)
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May be is an stupid suggestion. But in my view Czechoslovakia is a precedent state of both the Czech and the Slovak republics. But on the Smithsonian album, it only shows as a precedent of the Czech republic.
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"Yes, I noticed that, too, and was going to bring it up later when we got to that part, but why not discuss it now! My take is that the second instance (p. 121) SHOULD HAVE BEEN Italy - Island of Karki. Any other thoughts?"
I spent some time searching through my Scott catalogue. These were issues for the Aegean Islands. I found:
General: Italian stamps overprinted EGEO (ca 1912), later ISOLE ITALIANE DELL'EGEO (ca1930-1940)
Individual Islands (ca 1912-1932): Italian stamps overprinted:
KARKI (Calchi)
CALI(M)NO (Calina)
CASO (Caso)
COS/COO (Coo)
LERO(S)
LIPSO (Lisso)
NISIRO(S) (Nisiro)
PATMO(S)
PISCOPI
RODI (Rhodes)
SCARPANTO
SIMI
STAMPALIA
Of these, only Aegean Islands and Rhodes issued their own (non-overprinted) stamps.
I would suggest that the duplicate Jerusalem should be Aegean Islands. Why Leros is included (over any of the others) I don't know. I hope there are some Italian experts who can help.
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"Under precedent countries for Argentina, I think the dates for issues from Cordoba are wrong. Shouldn't it just be the single year of 1858?"
You are 100% correct! And shouldn't Corrientes be 1856-1880 instead of 1856-1879?
"May be is an stupid suggestion. But in my view Czechoslovakia is a precedent state of both the Czech and the Slovak republics. But on the Smithsonian album, it only shows as a precedent of the Czech republic."
Not a stupid question at all! The way the Smithsonian pages deals with this, to avoid duplicate stamps, is to put a country that was later broken up in one place and add a note in other places. You will see a note in Precedent countries for Slovakia that says "see Czechoslovakia". Personally, I like that approach, but feel free to add another stamp instead of just having a note. I plan to be on the lookout for missing notes. There seems to be a few missing from the former USSR republics.
"I would suggest that the duplicate Jerusalem should be Aegean Islands."
Yes! Brilliant! I was trying to find something alphabetically between Dalmatia and Lero, but now that you mention it, Aegean Islands is the obvious answer. Thank you so much for that observation!
Keep it coming!
Lars
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I will try to keep a running summary on the first post. Please take a look and see if you disagree with anything I have in the first post under "UPDATE".
Lars
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Please see "Stamps Free For The Asking" post if interested.
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A couple of minor issues:
Stellaland is under South Africa, but Scott says: "Stellaland was annexed by Great Britain in 1885 and became a part of British Bechuanaland."
And a bit of nit-picking: Bahamas is officially "The Bahamas", and similarly "The Gambia".
Jan
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"Stellaland is under South Africa, but Scott says: "Stellaland was annexed by Great Britain in 1885 and became a part of British Bechuanaland." "
These two statements are not in conflict.
Stellaland was annexed by Britain as part of the colony of British Bechuanaland.
This in turn was later incorporated into Cape Colony and so is now part of South Africa.
The separate Bechuanaland Protectorate became independent as Botswana.
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Oops. 
Thank you for the explanation. It would be more straight forward if country namers were more considerate of philatelists.
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I have finished North and South America and I am finishing up Europe, but while looking through Africa, Asia, and Oceania, I noticed the following:
Pages 56 and 67 - Equatorial Guinea, which is bracketed by Cameroon and Gabon, both of which are listed in "Central Africa", is inexplicably found on page 67 under "Western Africa". Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that 3 other precedent countries for Equatorial Guinea (Fernando Po, Spanish Guinea, and Elobey, Annobon & Corisco) are incorrectly listed under Democratic Republic of the Congo (p 56).
Pages 77 and 86 - Sri Lanka is listed in Eastern Asia (page 77) and Mongolia is listed in Southern Asia (page 86). It would work out perfectly if those two were swapped.
Netherlands New Guinea appears twice, on page 88 and 108. Although not an error, it is inconsistent with the standard of only listing a single instance of a precedent country and adding a textual note for other instances. The problem arises from placing the entire island of Papau, instead of just the Eastern part (Papau New Guinea), in Oceania. I moved West Irian to Asia as a precedent country of Indonesia.
Page 88 - This is where West Irian should go (see page 108).
Page 108 - Move West Irian to precedent country of Indonesia and remove Netherlands New Guinea as a duplicate (see p. 88).
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Lars,
I decided to continue the Rumelia/Thrace discussion here where it more properly belongs.
I have been looking through an atlas I have that has historical maps of the world. From what I have been able to determine, Rumelia is the traditional name of the southern part of the Balkan Peninsula, and consists of Thrace, Macedonia, and Moesia. So, yes, East Rumelia is part of tradional Thrace.
On an 1877 map, Bulgaria (at least in the east) is the land between the Danube River and the Balkan Mountains. On a 1902 map, Bulgaria (still part of Turkey) is shown split between Bulgaria and East Rumelia. East Rumelia is the land south of the Balkan Mountains to roughly the Rodekope mountains. Of interest is that the southern boundary in the east looks the same as the current boundary between Bulgaria and Turkey. Further west the boundary is north of the current boundary between Greece and Bulgaria.
What was called East Rumelia on the map is entirely within the boundaries of present day Bulgaria, i.e. it can only be considered a precedent country of Bulgaria.
What became known as East Thrace after WWI has the same boundaries as the current European Turkey, so other than the occupation by the allied armies and Greece 1918-1922, has always been part of Turkey.
West Thrace is more problematical, as I am not sure how far west it goes. Present day the south part (on the Adriatic) is part of Greece while the northern part is part of Bulgaria.
Let me know if I have misunderstood something. Next I need to figure out which stamps were used where, if this is possible.
Jan
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Jan,
Great idea to move the discussion here! I left a note at the other discussion that we were going to continue elsewhere.
I think you have it pretty much correct, and I also used the World History Stamp Atlas, Scott World Catalog, Wikipedia, and some country web sites to dig as deep as I could, but we may simply lack the same context as the authors of the Smithsonian pages. (I doubt that since I have identified MANY errors in the pages, but I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt). What I mean is this: If the boundaries of Turkey extended to Bulgaria until 1884, then Eastern Rumelia would have been a part of Turkey until 1884 and then a part of Bulgaria in 1885. That means we would have to keep up with the shifting borders over time. The problem with that theory is, first of all, that isn't the case for Eastern Rumelia, and more importantly, that would make a real mess of many other areas. I am just finishing up Africa and that's complicated enough already! (Asia isn't as bad as you would think because most of the boundary changes were temporary due to war and Smithsonian relegates Occupation stamps to the end of the album).
I plan to post my new pages soon on the expanded thread and maybe it will make sense how I interpret things and I look forward to your critique.
Cheers!
Lars
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I'm finishing up Africa and have a few pointers for y'all:
1. Page 43 - Smithsonian only lists EAST AFRICA AND UGANDA PROTECTORATES as being issued in 1921, probably because only 1921 is listed for EAST AFRICA AND UGANDA PROTECTORATES at the beginning of KENYA, UGANDA, and TANZANIA in Scott, but there is a whole other listing under EAST AFRICA AND UGANDA PROTECTORATES in Volume 2, dated 1903-1919. I checked my Stanley Gibbons COMMONWEALTH AND BRITISH EMPIRE album and they have all of EAST AFRICA AND UGANDA PROTECTORATES together and dated 1903-1922. (S.G. has the last group as 1921-1922. Scott just has 1921). S.G also has the African colonies in a much more orderly presentation. I highly recommend this catalog. I picked up the 2005 edition of volume 1 (1840-1952) because I'm not concerned with prices and most of the really confusing parts of what became what in Africa was before 1950.
2. Page 48 - Seychelles - Scott 1-51 could be considered local stamps because Seychelles was a part of Mauritius at that time. The split isn't obvious in Scott, but it is in S.G.
3. Page 60 - Morocco - the first listings under Morocco are A1-A14 (1912-1913). Scott doesn't tell us what they are or why they are there, but these are the Sherifian Post issues. The long name is Administration Cherifienne Postes, Télégraphes et Téléphones. Sherifian relates to the Sultan of Morocco, so roughly translated that would be the Morocco Royal Mail, Telephone and Telegraph Administration. Morocco 1-24 are actually only for the Southern Zone, so you may want a stamp numbered 25+. The Northern Zone is listed after the Postage Due stamps. If you're looking for Tangier International City and Tetuan, those are at the end of Spanish Morocco. When looking at Spanish Morocco, realize that 1-25 are for Post Office abroad. French Morocco 1-37 are also for Post Office abroad. Typically Post Office Abroad would be found in the OTHER ENTITIES section, and you can find Germany Offices in Morocco is on page 120. So you may want to be sure to have 26+ for Spanish Morocco and 38+ for French Morocco.
There is a fascinating Research Paper on Morocco stamps that may be quite helpful in navigating this part of your OFEC album: https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/handle/1887/37404
Be sure you have virus protection before viewing the PDF file. I tried to save a copy and my virus protection said it was infected with PDF:UrlMal-inf{Trj}. My guess would be that there is an infected link in the paper since my virus protection had no problem with me opening the file itself, but use your own judgment.
Lars
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Thanks for the warning. Most likely the site being accessed has a Trojan infection present.
I had a chance to see your web site at http://larsdog.com/ . Very nicely done informative site regarding your collecting interests. I really like what you've done with your storage space for your collections. It is incredibly well ordered. I have much to learn from it.
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I'm in the midst of Asia and have noticed something of interest:
The Smithsonian start year for the Republic of India is 1949, but WikiPedia, Scott, and SG all agree that the start year was 1950. This is not the first time I have seen a date that is wrong.
Just FYI.
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It also says India was an empire until 1949, but it ceased to be one in 1947. It was a Dominion (whatever that means) between Empire and Republic.
Perhaps the 1949 date just splits the difference, so another stamp for 1947-1949 is not needed?
Jan
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The Dominion of India was an independent member of the British Commonwealth, and I count it as country distinct from the Republic and from the Empire.
A similar case is the short-lived (1956-7)Kingdom of Tunisia, in between the French Protectorate of Tunisia and the Republic.
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"It also says India was an empire until 1949, but it ceased to be one in 1947. It was a Dominion (whatever that means) between Empire and Republic."
Very observant, Jan!
More accurately, the last stamp of the Empire was issued in 1946, Dominion stamps were issues in 1947-1949, and the first Republic stamps were issued in 1950.
"Perhaps the 1949 date just splits the difference, so another stamp for 1947-1949 is not needed?"
I have included a Dominion stamp, but this discussion belongs on the other thread: A stamp for every country (Expanded). I'm trying to keep only things that EVERYONE would care about here, but when it comes to adding stuff, that's a different thread. I plan to post updates there soon (including the Dominion stamp), but I'm still printing new pages for Asia and when I finish I still have to scan and FTP all of the new pages. It's very time consuming and I want to get it as right as possible. Hang in there!
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"A similar case is the short-lived (1956-7)Kingdom of Tunisia, in between the French Protectorate of Tunisia and the Republic."
And yes, I already have a Kingdom stamp for Tunisia. Africa is done but I haven't scanned the new pages yet.
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I'm finishing up Asia and found something else that may interest everyone. Please tell me if I have this wrong!
Under India, Feudatory States, it appears that you fill the following spaces with the following stamps:
JUNAGAHR - use Soruth Scott #1-10 and the note should be "After 1877 see Soruth"
SORUTH - use Soruth Scott #11-21 and the note should have "After 1923"
SAURASHTRA - use Soruth Scott #22-38 and the note should have "United State of"
UNITED STATE OF SAURASHTRA - use Soruth Scott #39-42 and the dates should be 1949-1950
Let me know if anyone has a different take on those four items.
Cheers!
Lars
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Hi Lars,
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I believe that on page 85, "Travencore Anchel" should be just "Travencore" (Compare with Cochin.)
Jan
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Jan,
You are correct and I have already changed my page, but the stamps have Travancore Anchel on them, so I see where that came from.
Lars
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A local firm is holding a stamp auction next week. One of the lots is a set of old maps from 1885 and 1893. In the image below you can see Bulgaria and East Rumelia both in green. I believe this is an 1885 map:
The image is lousy as I took it from the online auction catalogue. It does agree with my 1902 map.
Jan
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HISTORY:
1. On a post so long ago I can't find it (probably winter of 2013-2014) I asked if there was a philatelic equivalent of OFEC (one from every country) that coin collectors often pursue. SOMEONE (whoever it was - MANY, MANY, MANY Thanks!) pointed out that Smithsonian had just released what I was looking for.
2. I downloaded the Smithsonian Stamp for Every Country album March 31, 2014.
3. May 01, 2014 - I started the thread "A stamp for every country" to post my early results and questions. Keijo (scb) was very helpful and pointed out that his list had 1657 postal entities. I knew I didn't want to get that extreme. (Thanks for early inputs from amsd, Jeredutt3, michael78651, scb, Poodle Mum, DRYER, and PeterG.) I spent the next several years doing research and occasionally buying.
4. June 02, 2018 - Thread gets bumped and jbaxter5256 joins the discussion.
5. July 07, 2018 - jbaxter5256 started the Stamp for Every Country Checklist thread.
6. October 31, 2018 - I started a new thread for those only pursuing Smithsonian completion "A stamp for every country (Standard)"
7. November 4, 2018 - I started a new thread for those interested in expanding their Smithsonian collection "A stamp for every country (Expanded)"
8. March 14, 2019 - "A stamp for every country (Expanded)" now has 6 different threads.
Now that the government has been back open for a while, I have again requested the full PDF file for the 50 panel Bill Gross exhibit, because the 5 pages I was sent by the Smithsonian just before the shutdown contained an interesting nugget buried in the description: The Scott catalog number of the stamp displayed! That could come in quite handy when trying to determine intent. Of course, if I get that PDF I will be happy to share with everyone. In the mean time, I have FINALLY completed my first cut at the EXPANDED version of the Smithsonian pages and I will post results on the EXPANDED thread. (Actually, I'm going to create separate threads for each section, except I will combine North and South America, and Oceania with Antarctica). The expanded threads are ONLY for folks that want to discuss significantly expanding the Smithsonian pages. I will post anything relevant to those who want to pretty much follow the Smithsonian model here, as always.
Cheers!
Lars
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One thing that came up in the Expanded thread was the fact that Bermuda should NOT be in the Caribbean, but should be listed with Canada, U.S., Mexico, etc.
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Quite right, Bermuda is not geographically in the Caribbean, but convention among collectors (on this side of the pond at least ) is to collect Bermuda as though it was in the Caribbean, as culturally ( and perhaps politically ) it is more akin with the Caribbean than with say, Canada.
Even with the Caribbean collectors tend to lump ex British colonies together, ex other European colonies together, and Haiti, Dominican Republic and Cuba as a third "lump" - yes I know that Haiti was once French and the other two were once Spanish, but they ceased to be so long before the European countries started to divest themselves of their colonial millstones.
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I'm starting this new thread to cover ONLY stuff relevant to those who want to make no, or minimal, changes to the Smithsonian pages. We can discuss expanding the pages on a different thread.
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UPDATE: Here is a summary, as of 12-17-18, of ERRORS reported in the Smithsonian pages (many thanks to all contributors):
Page 3 (see note on page 9)
Page 4 - Antigua and Barbuda - Precedent Country has a note: "Prior to 1986 see Netherlands Antillies". This makes no sense. Apparently it's a copy of the note that is correctly under Aruba on the following page.
Page 9 - Guatemala is most definitely NOT in the Caribbean. Guatemala belongs on page 3.
Page 13 - Argentina - Cordoba - should just be the single year of 1858
Page 13 - Argentina - Corrientes - Scott has an end date of 1880 instead of 1879.
Netherlands New Guinea appears twice, on page 88 and 108. Although not an error, it is inconsistent with the standard of only listing a single instance of a precedent country and adding a textual note for other instances. The problem arises from placing the entire island of Papau, instead of just the Eastern part (Papau New Guinea), in Oceania. I moved West Irian to Asia as a precedent country of Indonesia.
Pages 56 and 67 - Equatorial Guinea, which is bracketed by Cameroon and Gabon, both of which are listed in "Central Africa", is inexplicably found on page 67 under "Western Africa". Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that 3 other precedent countries for Equatorial Guinea (Fernando Po, Spanish Guinea, and Elobey, Annobon & Corisco) are incorrectly listed under Democratic Republic of the Congo (p 56).
Pages 77 and 86 - Sri Lanka is listed in Eastern Asia (page 77) and Mongolia is listed in Southern Asia (page 86). It would work out perfectly if those two were swapped.
Page 88 - This is where West Irian should go (see page 108).
Page 108 - Move West Irian to precedent country of Indonesia and remove Netherlands New Guinea as a duplicate (see p. 88).
Page 120 "Libya" is misspelled.
Page 121 Italy offices in Jerusalem is a duplicate from page 120. It is likely that this SHOULD be ITALY Aegean Islands.
Page 126 - "GREAT BRITAIN - British occupation of Togo after WWI" should be "FRANCE AND GREAT BRITAIN - Anglo-French occupation of Togo during and after WWI"
Page 127 - "RUSSIA - Russian occupation before WWI" should be "RUSSIA - Russian occupation of Turkey before WWI"
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I will start by addressing the first questions I had almost 5 years ago after going through the whole Smithsonian album. (See beginning of the prior thread "A stamp for every country"):
"1. Would "French Occupation of Mexico" simply be any of Mexico 26-34? "
Thank you Michael for confirming that is true.
"2. My album has a space for "British Occupation of Togo after WWI", but all I can find is a stamp that I would describe as "Anglo-French Occupation of Togo during and after WWI". Am I missing something?"
Again from Michael:
"Your comment on Item #2 is correct. The stamps are listed under Togo as a British Protectorate, Scott #33-91; French Occupation, Scott #151-192; and French Mandate, Scott #193-331."
It's up to each of you to decide whether or not to change the label on that page.
"3. Where can I find "French Legion fighting in Russia with the German Army?""
David provided a GREAT link which is now sadly defunct, and Michael pointed out that the stamps are not mentioned in Scott, but the stamps ARE listed in Michel:
"4. I also can't find two "Ukraine Government-In-Exile" stamps: One for mail from gov't to troops in field and another for a planned invasion which never took place."
Michael comes through, once again:
"Your item #4 is noted in Scott following Ukraine Scott #87. It is actually the third set of notes in the block. I did not find these mentioned in Michel."
This one is "For planned invasion...".
To find the one "To facilitate communications...", look at UKRAINE M1-M16.
Hope this helps.
Lars
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thanks for these.. The Ukraine issues were confusing and french volunteers I did not know about !
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thanks for these.. The Ukraine issues were confusing and french volunteers I did not know about !
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here's the article on LVF: https://stamporama.com/articles/display_article.php?id=RAdTEHE8XTX0. from our articles section. The DB question that prompted the article is, as Lars says, defunct. Pity.
All my LVF stamps are from SOR members, with my most recent acquisition from Jan-Simon auction.
they are still available via eBay, although slim pickings. one partial set (usually seen only with the 1942 issues) is here, with BIG flaws, but cheap. A similar set runs for $27: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SOLD-1942-FRANCE-LA-LEGION-DES-VOLANTAIRES-FRANCAIS-USED-VF-ESP-1249/361655850719?hash=item54345e56df:g:HlkAAOSwbsBXkiog:rk:2:pf:0
Lars, if this ruins your thread, please feel free to delete it
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Relating to Andorra. I wish to point that there's not such things as Spanish or French Administrations.
Andorra, is an independent country with an Andorran Administration. But its postal service is carried on by both the Spanish and French Post Offices.
So, in my view, the heading should be "Andorra" (Spanish P.O.) and "Andorra" (French P.O.)
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"Lars, if this ruins your thread, please feel free to delete it"
Not at all! I'm glad you could provide an updated link to that article.
"Relating to Andorra. I wish to point that there's not such things as Spanish or French Administrations."
Do you think they meant Spanish and French POSTAL Administrations (or Spanish and French Administration of the Postal Services)?
(I love your icon. I was in Barcelona last year. Just finishing an interesting biography of Gaudi).
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Hi Lars, I hope you enjoyed your time in Barcelona. I live halfway between Sagrada Familia and Park Güell, very often I pass by Casa Vicens (first Gaudi's House), la Pedrera and Casa Batlló. I also buy stamps on the Plaça Reial with Gaudi's lamps. So, this architect's work has always been my life's lanscape.
For sure, you know the meaning of my icon (Catalonia's Freedom figthing flag).I'm glad that you apreciate it. I'm heavily involved on the moviment.
As for Andorra, we should speak about two separate postal administrations, with their own buildings and stamps (now, all in €). They operate as indepently as their mother PO.
On the old times (when we used pessetes and francs) you could only use the corresponding currency to buy their stamps. We, did not always had French francs in our pocket, so we used the Spanish PO for sending postcards home.
I've an small Andorra Postal History compilation, with many covers and postcards to Catalonia, all bearing Andorra Spanish PO stamps. I supose that the same hapened with postcards sent to France.
So, the wording, should be Andorra Spanish and French Postal Administrations.
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Cursus,
"Andorra Spanish and French Postal Administrations" it is!
We took a taxi to Plaça de Catalunya and rented bicycles to ride past Mansana de la Discòrdia to see Casa Batlló, then to Casa Milà, and finally out to Sagrada Família. We got a glimpse of Torre Agbar on the way there. I met a Catalan photographer online named Llorenç Conejo who had a wonderful panoramic photo of Mansana de la Discòrdia. I arranged to meet him at Plaça de Catalunya and purchase a print that now proudly adorns the wall of my home office:
It doesn't look it from the image, but that photo is 150 cm (5 feet) across and every detail is as sharp as we saw when we were there. Llorenç is really good with a camera and it was a pleasure to make his acquaintance!
¡Visca el Barça i visca Catalunya!
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Lars,
Very nice picture of a unique vista. It is a nice plus having the opportunity to meet the photographer which personalizes the picture adding a memory connection!
Cursus,
Thanks for your background on the postal administrations and making the area come alive to us!
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Thank you very much for your nice words about our city and country.
Actually, what we call "Mansana de la discòrdia" is the track of Passeig de Gràcia (perhaps,the most important avenue of downtown Barcelona), between Consell de Cent and Aragó streets. On the lower part (Consell de Cent corner) you can see Casa Lleó-Morera from Lluis Domènech i Montaner, the fourth House is Casa Ametller by Josep Puig i Cadafalch and the fifth (and best known) is Gaudi's Casa Batlló.
Both three architects are the most famous ones of the Catalan Modernist style (our version of Jugenstin/Art Nouveau / Sezesion...). All of them, are very much liked by Barcelona's people. Personaly, I would find hard to decide which one I like the most.
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Thanks for the post about the French Legion fighting in Russia. Found one of the stamps in a miscellaneous collection of labels someone gave me today by sheerest coincidence and would not have known what it is without the post!
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OK, back to the topic at hand.
I want to point out two ERRORS on the North America pages:
Page 4 - Antigua and Barbuda - Precendent Country has a note: "Prior to 1986 see Netherlands Antillies". This makes no sense. Apparently it's a copy of the note that is correctly under Aruba on the following page.
Page 9 - Guatemala. Guadeloupe (prior page) is in the Caribbean, but Guatemala most definitely is NOT. Guatemala belongs on page 3.
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For a long time I have been searching for a new collecting focus (having been very specialized). Over time I have accumulated a wide variety of stamps and have decided to take the plunge and see how far I can get with this type of collection. I will discuss the alterations I am making in the other thread.
Here are a couple of errors I have found in the Smithsonian album:
1. On page 120 "Libya" is misspelled.
2. Italy offices in Jerusalem appears twice, on page 120 and 121.
3. Netherlands New Guinea also appears twice, on page 88 and 108.
Perhaps these have been already discussed earlier, and if so, I appologize.
Jan
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"Here are a couple of errors I have found in the Smithsonian album:
1. On page 120 "Libya" is misspelled."
Holy Cow! I can't believe I missed that one! Great catch!
"2. Italy offices in Jerusalem appears twice, on page 120 and 121."
Yes, I noticed that, too, and was going to bring it up later when we got to that part, but why not discuss it now! My take is that the second instance (p. 121) SHOULD HAVE BEEN Italy - Island of Karki. Any other thoughts?
"3. Netherlands New Guinea also appears twice, on page 88 and 108."
I doubt that I would have ever noticed that one. Excellent catch! Can anyone opine as to where it SHOULD be?
Also, on page 126, it seems that "GREAT BRITAIN British occupation of Togo after WWI" should be "FRANCE and GREAT BRITAIN Anglo-French occupation of Togo during and after WWI"
Does anyone else have any errors to report?
Many thanks to Jan for his valuable inputs!!!
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Thanks to Lars and others I've thoroughly enjoyed following this thread as well as the Expanded thread. I've been focusing on the Americas and would suggest that there may be at least one more simple error in addition to the mistaken placement of Guatemala in the Caribbean and incorrect precedent country (so often an awkward label) for Antigua. Under precedent countries for Argentina, I think the dates for issues from Cordoba are wrong. Shouldn't it just be the single year of 1858? My copy of Scott's Specialized supports that single year as does the recent article on the "Argentina Confederation issue" that appears in the November 19, 2018 issue of Linn's Stamp News. (Of course, that article raises the issue - more appropriate for the Expanded thread - of the definition of "precedent country" and which ones are included and excluded for several current countries in the Americas section of the Smithsonian album.)
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May be is an stupid suggestion. But in my view Czechoslovakia is a precedent state of both the Czech and the Slovak republics. But on the Smithsonian album, it only shows as a precedent of the Czech republic.
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"Yes, I noticed that, too, and was going to bring it up later when we got to that part, but why not discuss it now! My take is that the second instance (p. 121) SHOULD HAVE BEEN Italy - Island of Karki. Any other thoughts?"
I spent some time searching through my Scott catalogue. These were issues for the Aegean Islands. I found:
General: Italian stamps overprinted EGEO (ca 1912), later ISOLE ITALIANE DELL'EGEO (ca1930-1940)
Individual Islands (ca 1912-1932): Italian stamps overprinted:
KARKI (Calchi)
CALI(M)NO (Calina)
CASO (Caso)
COS/COO (Coo)
LERO(S)
LIPSO (Lisso)
NISIRO(S) (Nisiro)
PATMO(S)
PISCOPI
RODI (Rhodes)
SCARPANTO
SIMI
STAMPALIA
Of these, only Aegean Islands and Rhodes issued their own (non-overprinted) stamps.
I would suggest that the duplicate Jerusalem should be Aegean Islands. Why Leros is included (over any of the others) I don't know. I hope there are some Italian experts who can help.
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"Under precedent countries for Argentina, I think the dates for issues from Cordoba are wrong. Shouldn't it just be the single year of 1858?"
You are 100% correct! And shouldn't Corrientes be 1856-1880 instead of 1856-1879?
"May be is an stupid suggestion. But in my view Czechoslovakia is a precedent state of both the Czech and the Slovak republics. But on the Smithsonian album, it only shows as a precedent of the Czech republic."
Not a stupid question at all! The way the Smithsonian pages deals with this, to avoid duplicate stamps, is to put a country that was later broken up in one place and add a note in other places. You will see a note in Precedent countries for Slovakia that says "see Czechoslovakia". Personally, I like that approach, but feel free to add another stamp instead of just having a note. I plan to be on the lookout for missing notes. There seems to be a few missing from the former USSR republics.
"I would suggest that the duplicate Jerusalem should be Aegean Islands."
Yes! Brilliant! I was trying to find something alphabetically between Dalmatia and Lero, but now that you mention it, Aegean Islands is the obvious answer. Thank you so much for that observation!
Keep it coming!
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I will try to keep a running summary on the first post. Please take a look and see if you disagree with anything I have in the first post under "UPDATE".
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Please see "Stamps Free For The Asking" post if interested.
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A couple of minor issues:
Stellaland is under South Africa, but Scott says: "Stellaland was annexed by Great Britain in 1885 and became a part of British Bechuanaland."
And a bit of nit-picking: Bahamas is officially "The Bahamas", and similarly "The Gambia".
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"Stellaland is under South Africa, but Scott says: "Stellaland was annexed by Great Britain in 1885 and became a part of British Bechuanaland." "
These two statements are not in conflict.
Stellaland was annexed by Britain as part of the colony of British Bechuanaland.
This in turn was later incorporated into Cape Colony and so is now part of South Africa.
The separate Bechuanaland Protectorate became independent as Botswana.
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Oops.
Thank you for the explanation. It would be more straight forward if country namers were more considerate of philatelists.
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I have finished North and South America and I am finishing up Europe, but while looking through Africa, Asia, and Oceania, I noticed the following:
Pages 56 and 67 - Equatorial Guinea, which is bracketed by Cameroon and Gabon, both of which are listed in "Central Africa", is inexplicably found on page 67 under "Western Africa". Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that 3 other precedent countries for Equatorial Guinea (Fernando Po, Spanish Guinea, and Elobey, Annobon & Corisco) are incorrectly listed under Democratic Republic of the Congo (p 56).
Pages 77 and 86 - Sri Lanka is listed in Eastern Asia (page 77) and Mongolia is listed in Southern Asia (page 86). It would work out perfectly if those two were swapped.
Netherlands New Guinea appears twice, on page 88 and 108. Although not an error, it is inconsistent with the standard of only listing a single instance of a precedent country and adding a textual note for other instances. The problem arises from placing the entire island of Papau, instead of just the Eastern part (Papau New Guinea), in Oceania. I moved West Irian to Asia as a precedent country of Indonesia.
Page 88 - This is where West Irian should go (see page 108).
Page 108 - Move West Irian to precedent country of Indonesia and remove Netherlands New Guinea as a duplicate (see p. 88).
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Lars,
I decided to continue the Rumelia/Thrace discussion here where it more properly belongs.
I have been looking through an atlas I have that has historical maps of the world. From what I have been able to determine, Rumelia is the traditional name of the southern part of the Balkan Peninsula, and consists of Thrace, Macedonia, and Moesia. So, yes, East Rumelia is part of tradional Thrace.
On an 1877 map, Bulgaria (at least in the east) is the land between the Danube River and the Balkan Mountains. On a 1902 map, Bulgaria (still part of Turkey) is shown split between Bulgaria and East Rumelia. East Rumelia is the land south of the Balkan Mountains to roughly the Rodekope mountains. Of interest is that the southern boundary in the east looks the same as the current boundary between Bulgaria and Turkey. Further west the boundary is north of the current boundary between Greece and Bulgaria.
What was called East Rumelia on the map is entirely within the boundaries of present day Bulgaria, i.e. it can only be considered a precedent country of Bulgaria.
What became known as East Thrace after WWI has the same boundaries as the current European Turkey, so other than the occupation by the allied armies and Greece 1918-1922, has always been part of Turkey.
West Thrace is more problematical, as I am not sure how far west it goes. Present day the south part (on the Adriatic) is part of Greece while the northern part is part of Bulgaria.
Let me know if I have misunderstood something. Next I need to figure out which stamps were used where, if this is possible.
Jan
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Jan,
Great idea to move the discussion here! I left a note at the other discussion that we were going to continue elsewhere.
I think you have it pretty much correct, and I also used the World History Stamp Atlas, Scott World Catalog, Wikipedia, and some country web sites to dig as deep as I could, but we may simply lack the same context as the authors of the Smithsonian pages. (I doubt that since I have identified MANY errors in the pages, but I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt). What I mean is this: If the boundaries of Turkey extended to Bulgaria until 1884, then Eastern Rumelia would have been a part of Turkey until 1884 and then a part of Bulgaria in 1885. That means we would have to keep up with the shifting borders over time. The problem with that theory is, first of all, that isn't the case for Eastern Rumelia, and more importantly, that would make a real mess of many other areas. I am just finishing up Africa and that's complicated enough already! (Asia isn't as bad as you would think because most of the boundary changes were temporary due to war and Smithsonian relegates Occupation stamps to the end of the album).
I plan to post my new pages soon on the expanded thread and maybe it will make sense how I interpret things and I look forward to your critique.
Cheers!
Lars
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I'm finishing up Africa and have a few pointers for y'all:
1. Page 43 - Smithsonian only lists EAST AFRICA AND UGANDA PROTECTORATES as being issued in 1921, probably because only 1921 is listed for EAST AFRICA AND UGANDA PROTECTORATES at the beginning of KENYA, UGANDA, and TANZANIA in Scott, but there is a whole other listing under EAST AFRICA AND UGANDA PROTECTORATES in Volume 2, dated 1903-1919. I checked my Stanley Gibbons COMMONWEALTH AND BRITISH EMPIRE album and they have all of EAST AFRICA AND UGANDA PROTECTORATES together and dated 1903-1922. (S.G. has the last group as 1921-1922. Scott just has 1921). S.G also has the African colonies in a much more orderly presentation. I highly recommend this catalog. I picked up the 2005 edition of volume 1 (1840-1952) because I'm not concerned with prices and most of the really confusing parts of what became what in Africa was before 1950.
2. Page 48 - Seychelles - Scott 1-51 could be considered local stamps because Seychelles was a part of Mauritius at that time. The split isn't obvious in Scott, but it is in S.G.
3. Page 60 - Morocco - the first listings under Morocco are A1-A14 (1912-1913). Scott doesn't tell us what they are or why they are there, but these are the Sherifian Post issues. The long name is Administration Cherifienne Postes, Télégraphes et Téléphones. Sherifian relates to the Sultan of Morocco, so roughly translated that would be the Morocco Royal Mail, Telephone and Telegraph Administration. Morocco 1-24 are actually only for the Southern Zone, so you may want a stamp numbered 25+. The Northern Zone is listed after the Postage Due stamps. If you're looking for Tangier International City and Tetuan, those are at the end of Spanish Morocco. When looking at Spanish Morocco, realize that 1-25 are for Post Office abroad. French Morocco 1-37 are also for Post Office abroad. Typically Post Office Abroad would be found in the OTHER ENTITIES section, and you can find Germany Offices in Morocco is on page 120. So you may want to be sure to have 26+ for Spanish Morocco and 38+ for French Morocco.
There is a fascinating Research Paper on Morocco stamps that may be quite helpful in navigating this part of your OFEC album: https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/handle/1887/37404
Be sure you have virus protection before viewing the PDF file. I tried to save a copy and my virus protection said it was infected with PDF:UrlMal-inf{Trj}. My guess would be that there is an infected link in the paper since my virus protection had no problem with me opening the file itself, but use your own judgment.
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Thanks for the warning. Most likely the site being accessed has a Trojan infection present.
I had a chance to see your web site at http://larsdog.com/ . Very nicely done informative site regarding your collecting interests. I really like what you've done with your storage space for your collections. It is incredibly well ordered. I have much to learn from it.
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I'm in the midst of Asia and have noticed something of interest:
The Smithsonian start year for the Republic of India is 1949, but WikiPedia, Scott, and SG all agree that the start year was 1950. This is not the first time I have seen a date that is wrong.
Just FYI.
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It also says India was an empire until 1949, but it ceased to be one in 1947. It was a Dominion (whatever that means) between Empire and Republic.
Perhaps the 1949 date just splits the difference, so another stamp for 1947-1949 is not needed?
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The Dominion of India was an independent member of the British Commonwealth, and I count it as country distinct from the Republic and from the Empire.
A similar case is the short-lived (1956-7)Kingdom of Tunisia, in between the French Protectorate of Tunisia and the Republic.
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"It also says India was an empire until 1949, but it ceased to be one in 1947. It was a Dominion (whatever that means) between Empire and Republic."
Very observant, Jan!
More accurately, the last stamp of the Empire was issued in 1946, Dominion stamps were issues in 1947-1949, and the first Republic stamps were issued in 1950.
"Perhaps the 1949 date just splits the difference, so another stamp for 1947-1949 is not needed?"
I have included a Dominion stamp, but this discussion belongs on the other thread: A stamp for every country (Expanded). I'm trying to keep only things that EVERYONE would care about here, but when it comes to adding stuff, that's a different thread. I plan to post updates there soon (including the Dominion stamp), but I'm still printing new pages for Asia and when I finish I still have to scan and FTP all of the new pages. It's very time consuming and I want to get it as right as possible. Hang in there!
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"A similar case is the short-lived (1956-7)Kingdom of Tunisia, in between the French Protectorate of Tunisia and the Republic."
And yes, I already have a Kingdom stamp for Tunisia. Africa is done but I haven't scanned the new pages yet.
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I'm finishing up Asia and found something else that may interest everyone. Please tell me if I have this wrong!
Under India, Feudatory States, it appears that you fill the following spaces with the following stamps:
JUNAGAHR - use Soruth Scott #1-10 and the note should be "After 1877 see Soruth"
SORUTH - use Soruth Scott #11-21 and the note should have "After 1923"
SAURASHTRA - use Soruth Scott #22-38 and the note should have "United State of"
UNITED STATE OF SAURASHTRA - use Soruth Scott #39-42 and the dates should be 1949-1950
Let me know if anyone has a different take on those four items.
Cheers!
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Hi Lars,
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I believe that on page 85, "Travencore Anchel" should be just "Travencore" (Compare with Cochin.)
Jan
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Jan,
You are correct and I have already changed my page, but the stamps have Travancore Anchel on them, so I see where that came from.
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A local firm is holding a stamp auction next week. One of the lots is a set of old maps from 1885 and 1893. In the image below you can see Bulgaria and East Rumelia both in green. I believe this is an 1885 map:
The image is lousy as I took it from the online auction catalogue. It does agree with my 1902 map.
Jan
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HISTORY:
1. On a post so long ago I can't find it (probably winter of 2013-2014) I asked if there was a philatelic equivalent of OFEC (one from every country) that coin collectors often pursue. SOMEONE (whoever it was - MANY, MANY, MANY Thanks!) pointed out that Smithsonian had just released what I was looking for.
2. I downloaded the Smithsonian Stamp for Every Country album March 31, 2014.
3. May 01, 2014 - I started the thread "A stamp for every country" to post my early results and questions. Keijo (scb) was very helpful and pointed out that his list had 1657 postal entities. I knew I didn't want to get that extreme. (Thanks for early inputs from amsd, Jeredutt3, michael78651, scb, Poodle Mum, DRYER, and PeterG.) I spent the next several years doing research and occasionally buying.
4. June 02, 2018 - Thread gets bumped and jbaxter5256 joins the discussion.
5. July 07, 2018 - jbaxter5256 started the Stamp for Every Country Checklist thread.
6. October 31, 2018 - I started a new thread for those only pursuing Smithsonian completion "A stamp for every country (Standard)"
7. November 4, 2018 - I started a new thread for those interested in expanding their Smithsonian collection "A stamp for every country (Expanded)"
8. March 14, 2019 - "A stamp for every country (Expanded)" now has 6 different threads.
Now that the government has been back open for a while, I have again requested the full PDF file for the 50 panel Bill Gross exhibit, because the 5 pages I was sent by the Smithsonian just before the shutdown contained an interesting nugget buried in the description: The Scott catalog number of the stamp displayed! That could come in quite handy when trying to determine intent. Of course, if I get that PDF I will be happy to share with everyone. In the mean time, I have FINALLY completed my first cut at the EXPANDED version of the Smithsonian pages and I will post results on the EXPANDED thread. (Actually, I'm going to create separate threads for each section, except I will combine North and South America, and Oceania with Antarctica). The expanded threads are ONLY for folks that want to discuss significantly expanding the Smithsonian pages. I will post anything relevant to those who want to pretty much follow the Smithsonian model here, as always.
Cheers!
Lars
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One thing that came up in the Expanded thread was the fact that Bermuda should NOT be in the Caribbean, but should be listed with Canada, U.S., Mexico, etc.
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Lars
Quite right, Bermuda is not geographically in the Caribbean, but convention among collectors (on this side of the pond at least ) is to collect Bermuda as though it was in the Caribbean, as culturally ( and perhaps politically ) it is more akin with the Caribbean than with say, Canada.
Even with the Caribbean collectors tend to lump ex British colonies together, ex other European colonies together, and Haiti, Dominican Republic and Cuba as a third "lump" - yes I know that Haiti was once French and the other two were once Spanish, but they ceased to be so long before the European countries started to divest themselves of their colonial millstones.
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