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General Philatelic/Identify This? : FRANCE 1919 LABELS

 

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john9913

23 Oct 2018
12:28:09pm

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..

24 Oct 2018
02:23:56am
re: FRANCE 1919 LABELS

Off hand they look like some kind of War Tax stamps, revenues.
Of course, the date of 25 August, 1914, on the right, is the date of the burning and mass murders at the Belgium town of Louvain. So I guess it is to raise funds for the survivors of the atrocities and setting the entire town to fire. I'd like to check my "Guns of August" for reference, but I think that is still in Florida.

The stamp on the left has something about "Pillage et formellement".
Pillage is obvious and Formellement has something to do with "smoking" or burning.
Some signs in France about "No Smoking" use that word. So I'd suppose that is for another atrocity, the pillaging and burning of some town. The "elles actes des Allemagne" refers to the acts of the German forces, probably preceded by the word "barbarous" but the cancel blocks it.
Anyway you get the idea. It, or they, must be to raise money to support the refugees that were driven out of their homes in France and Belgium when the Kaiser's army invaded.
BTW, I looked through my old Yvert and did not see anything like the stamps. Perhaps Bénédicte can read the rest better than me with my HS French of 60 years ago.
(Although Sister Mary Emerich would be
surprised that I got as much as I did.
Thanks Sister for your efforts
.)

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24 Oct 2018
03:25:03am

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re: FRANCE 1919 LABELS

The first one reads "les engagements et les actes de l'Allemagne" in the heading.
After that it is further explained:
"les engagements: Le pillage est formellement interdit" followed by the official rulings in the international treaties

"les actes: Pillage partout, en France et en Belgique"

In other words: pillage is forbidden, yet it happened everywhere in France and Belgium.

The second one mentions the war atrocities in the Belgian town Dinant from 21st to 25th August 1914. The Germans used Belgian civilians as human shields against French artillery. In total more than 700 people died, 1200 houses pillaged and destroyed.

The stamps/labels are cancelled in Saint Germain en Laye on 2 June 1919 and 3 July 1919. This is significant. In St. Germain en Laye, delegations of German-Austria and the allies were negotiating a peace treaty, which was eventually signed on 10 September. This treaty was the official end and dissolution of the Austrian part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire. The treaty of Trianon signed a year later dissolved the Hungarian part. The Hungarians are still angry about that.

I have not seen these labels before, but think they are part of the propaganda war staged in order to get a good result (from the French/Belgian point of view of course) from the talks.

Searching on the internet I saw that this is not a complete set. There is at least one additional stamp, probably even more.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..

25 Oct 2018
06:57:34pm
re: FRANCE 1919 LABELS

All told the labels do remind people of some events
that while once well known, are seldom discussed a
hundred years later. Sometimes I tell friends who
ask what is so interesting about used postage stamps.
"Postage stamps are history"

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23 Oct 2018
12:28:09pm

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
24 Oct 2018
02:23:56am

re: FRANCE 1919 LABELS

Off hand they look like some kind of War Tax stamps, revenues.
Of course, the date of 25 August, 1914, on the right, is the date of the burning and mass murders at the Belgium town of Louvain. So I guess it is to raise funds for the survivors of the atrocities and setting the entire town to fire. I'd like to check my "Guns of August" for reference, but I think that is still in Florida.

The stamp on the left has something about "Pillage et formellement".
Pillage is obvious and Formellement has something to do with "smoking" or burning.
Some signs in France about "No Smoking" use that word. So I'd suppose that is for another atrocity, the pillaging and burning of some town. The "elles actes des Allemagne" refers to the acts of the German forces, probably preceded by the word "barbarous" but the cancel blocks it.
Anyway you get the idea. It, or they, must be to raise money to support the refugees that were driven out of their homes in France and Belgium when the Kaiser's army invaded.
BTW, I looked through my old Yvert and did not see anything like the stamps. Perhaps Bénédicte can read the rest better than me with my HS French of 60 years ago.
(Although Sister Mary Emerich would be
surprised that I got as much as I did.
Thanks Sister for your efforts
.)

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24 Oct 2018
03:25:03am

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re: FRANCE 1919 LABELS

The first one reads "les engagements et les actes de l'Allemagne" in the heading.
After that it is further explained:
"les engagements: Le pillage est formellement interdit" followed by the official rulings in the international treaties

"les actes: Pillage partout, en France et en Belgique"

In other words: pillage is forbidden, yet it happened everywhere in France and Belgium.

The second one mentions the war atrocities in the Belgian town Dinant from 21st to 25th August 1914. The Germans used Belgian civilians as human shields against French artillery. In total more than 700 people died, 1200 houses pillaged and destroyed.

The stamps/labels are cancelled in Saint Germain en Laye on 2 June 1919 and 3 July 1919. This is significant. In St. Germain en Laye, delegations of German-Austria and the allies were negotiating a peace treaty, which was eventually signed on 10 September. This treaty was the official end and dissolution of the Austrian part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire. The treaty of Trianon signed a year later dissolved the Hungarian part. The Hungarians are still angry about that.

I have not seen these labels before, but think they are part of the propaganda war staged in order to get a good result (from the French/Belgian point of view of course) from the talks.

Searching on the internet I saw that this is not a complete set. There is at least one additional stamp, probably even more.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
25 Oct 2018
06:57:34pm

re: FRANCE 1919 LABELS

All told the labels do remind people of some events
that while once well known, are seldom discussed a
hundred years later. Sometimes I tell friends who
ask what is so interesting about used postage stamps.
"Postage stamps are history"

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
        

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