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Could someone give me some information about this stamp, what colour it is as the colour looks a light purple before it was scanned and what year the stamp was printed?
Why is there straight lines on the top and bottom of the stamp
Thankyou
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Pooh:
This is from the Series of 1922 (Fourth Bureau Issue), which ran from 1922-1932. The colors on the 2¢ Washington usually are given as "carmine," which I'm inclined to call a type of red rather than purple. The straight edges top and bottom make this a "coil" stamp. These are sold in long strips that are rolled up into "coils" and have been used in machines that apply stamps to bulk mailings. They also can of course be used by hand. A quick glance at Scott suggests this is either 599 (Type I) or 599A (Type II), which are "perf 10 vert." That is, perforated gauge 10 vertically. I can't tell from the scan which Type it is; there are subtle differences that you can look up in Scott Specialized and probably elsewhere.
Cheers,
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Thankyou for this as once again the stamp is from my great aunts stamp album.
Could someone please tell me what is type 1 and type 2
I can't get hold of a Scott's catalogue as I'm not from America or Canada. I live in the bush away from anyone, so where I live you can't get any information about stamps
What is the white mark at the top of the stamp?? I have no idea
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Pooh:
There are subtle design differences between the two types. Follow the URL below for a helpful comparison. (This is a good site for some of the information you may be seeking on US stamps.) As to the white mark, do you mean the spot above GW's head under the S and P in "United States Postage?" It's hard to tell from the scan but my guess is that the stamp was somehow scuffed. It could also be that the plate was not fully inked and a spot was "missed" but this is less likely.
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1922/634vs634A.html
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Thankyou for the information as it is the first time I have done this and I can't work out which one it is
Is there still alot of them around,
I have no idea where my aunt got the stamp from but I think it is neat
Is there any more information you can give me about the stamp? How long was the stamp was going for and when did they stop using the stamp
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For more info on this stamp
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1922identifier.html
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/ByYear/1923.html
Don
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06:11:16pm
Suzanne, the stamps you have is one of a very long set
that contains some quite common issues and a very few
rare examples, however that means the odds are against
finding a rarity.
It is also one of the most studied areas of US philately.
Most people who come upon them assume that what they have
is one of the expensive items, and are sometimes unhappy
to be told otherwise.
If you followed the links suggested you will notice that
the essential differences between the #599 & #599A are
in the border of the scroll at the left above the number 2.
A faint outline where the scroll line crosses the frame
is a #599, a heavy scroll line would be #599A. A second "tell"
is the two hairlines that are on Old Georges forehead,
faint is #599, while longer and heavier would be #599A.
Not having the stamp in hand, I'd say your stamp is #599,
unfortunately common as dog dirt and of no significant value.
If you have a bunch of these Washington coils it might be
a good idea o examine them closely, but having only one at hand
it will be hard to follow the explanation. Comparing scans
of the two types side by side should make it easier.
Examining a large group of that series (1922) and the previous
several series will make you a philatelist, a possibly cross-eyed
philatelist, but a philatelist nonetheless.
Good luck with your aunt's stamps.
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Thankyou for the information as it is good to find out and this is the best place to find things out
Can someone please tell me how they find out about how many perf 10 there is??
can you count the holes and find out if you don't have anything else to use
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Pooh:
There are a number of ways to measure perforations ("perfs"), including fancy software and counting the number of perfs per 2 cm. But the only thing that makes sense day to day is to use a perforation gauge. These are cheap and widely available from online suppliers, and you really need one if you're going to be even a little bit serious about stamp identification. IMO it's equipment investment #2 after tongs. There's a moderately famous dealer in Castlecraig, NSW and I daresay Google would turn up others who could ship to you.
Looking ahead, you may want to acquire a watermark tray while you're at it. These are used to detect watermarks, which are security designs impressed into the paper during its manufacture. Identification sometimes depends on the presence or type of design. Watermark trays are used either with special watermark detection fluid or with regular lighter fluid. (Take appropriate precautions with the latter as it's volatile and flammable!)
Good luck with this. There's a lot of fun to be had sorting and classifying common and inexpensive stamps. And you never know when lightning may strike.
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11:53:05pm
This is a scan of a perf gauge, one of the best
for world wide stamp collectors.
It is just a matter matching the lines with
the center of the perforations.
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Thankyou for the information and help as everyone has been wonderful.
I will get a stamp gauge but I have a question
Can a Washington stamp the vigeratta ( I think that is what you call it) be printed off centre and gone to one side more and the perforations has been cut down one side into the stamp, if it can happen, how does it happen
I'm nearly finished with the questions as this site has been wonderful
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Suzanne,
on the perforations question: yes, perfs can be trimmed off, and often are, either by careless cutting by the person affixing them and using scissors rather than fingers OR from a machine that applies the stamps to envelopes automatically IF that machine gets out of register.These are both farily common occurences. another possibility is when both sides' perfs are gone, which makes it either a legitemate imperf, or a coil stamp trimmed to look like an imperf
on the VIGNETTE, which is the central picture (without the scroll work , or frame, common to a series), it can move relative to the frame ONLY if it's two or more different colors, otherwise the entire design (frame and vignette) will be on a single plate.
If you are asking if the entire design (frame and vignette) can move, relative to the perfs, the answer is YES, becuase it's the perfs that are applied after everything has been printed and it's easiy to go off register. There's more to the story, but that should be enough here.
David
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Thankyou for the information as it is most welcome.
I have 2 different Washington stamps that are in the album, when I get hold of my daughter I will send
The stamps have leaves on a vine underneath the picture and one stamp is like I describe before and the other stamp looks really red.
I printed out a stamp gauge and have been practising on the stamps until I get one in the post
This site is the best as I found information so quick
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09:08:15pm
Could someone give me some information about this stamp, what colour it is as the colour looks a light purple before it was scanned and what year the stamp was printed?
Why is there straight lines on the top and bottom of the stamp
Thankyou
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09:43:09pm
re: Washington Stamp
Pooh:
This is from the Series of 1922 (Fourth Bureau Issue), which ran from 1922-1932. The colors on the 2¢ Washington usually are given as "carmine," which I'm inclined to call a type of red rather than purple. The straight edges top and bottom make this a "coil" stamp. These are sold in long strips that are rolled up into "coils" and have been used in machines that apply stamps to bulk mailings. They also can of course be used by hand. A quick glance at Scott suggests this is either 599 (Type I) or 599A (Type II), which are "perf 10 vert." That is, perforated gauge 10 vertically. I can't tell from the scan which Type it is; there are subtle differences that you can look up in Scott Specialized and probably elsewhere.
Cheers,
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09:55:21pm
re: Washington Stamp
Thankyou for this as once again the stamp is from my great aunts stamp album.
Could someone please tell me what is type 1 and type 2
I can't get hold of a Scott's catalogue as I'm not from America or Canada. I live in the bush away from anyone, so where I live you can't get any information about stamps
What is the white mark at the top of the stamp?? I have no idea
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10:16:58pm
re: Washington Stamp
Pooh:
There are subtle design differences between the two types. Follow the URL below for a helpful comparison. (This is a good site for some of the information you may be seeking on US stamps.) As to the white mark, do you mean the spot above GW's head under the S and P in "United States Postage?" It's hard to tell from the scan but my guess is that the stamp was somehow scuffed. It could also be that the plate was not fully inked and a spot was "missed" but this is less likely.
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1922/634vs634A.html
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06:13:12am
re: Washington Stamp
Thankyou for the information as it is the first time I have done this and I can't work out which one it is
Is there still alot of them around,
I have no idea where my aunt got the stamp from but I think it is neat
Is there any more information you can give me about the stamp? How long was the stamp was going for and when did they stop using the stamp
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re: Washington Stamp
For more info on this stamp
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1922identifier.html
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/ByYear/1923.html
Don
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11 Jul 2018
06:11:16pm
re: Washington Stamp
Suzanne, the stamps you have is one of a very long set
that contains some quite common issues and a very few
rare examples, however that means the odds are against
finding a rarity.
It is also one of the most studied areas of US philately.
Most people who come upon them assume that what they have
is one of the expensive items, and are sometimes unhappy
to be told otherwise.
If you followed the links suggested you will notice that
the essential differences between the #599 & #599A are
in the border of the scroll at the left above the number 2.
A faint outline where the scroll line crosses the frame
is a #599, a heavy scroll line would be #599A. A second "tell"
is the two hairlines that are on Old Georges forehead,
faint is #599, while longer and heavier would be #599A.
Not having the stamp in hand, I'd say your stamp is #599,
unfortunately common as dog dirt and of no significant value.
If you have a bunch of these Washington coils it might be
a good idea o examine them closely, but having only one at hand
it will be hard to follow the explanation. Comparing scans
of the two types side by side should make it easier.
Examining a large group of that series (1922) and the previous
several series will make you a philatelist, a possibly cross-eyed
philatelist, but a philatelist nonetheless.
Good luck with your aunt's stamps.
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06:18:07pm
re: Washington Stamp
Thankyou for the information as it is good to find out and this is the best place to find things out
Can someone please tell me how they find out about how many perf 10 there is??
can you count the holes and find out if you don't have anything else to use
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07:20:44pm
re: Washington Stamp
Pooh:
There are a number of ways to measure perforations ("perfs"), including fancy software and counting the number of perfs per 2 cm. But the only thing that makes sense day to day is to use a perforation gauge. These are cheap and widely available from online suppliers, and you really need one if you're going to be even a little bit serious about stamp identification. IMO it's equipment investment #2 after tongs. There's a moderately famous dealer in Castlecraig, NSW and I daresay Google would turn up others who could ship to you.
Looking ahead, you may want to acquire a watermark tray while you're at it. These are used to detect watermarks, which are security designs impressed into the paper during its manufacture. Identification sometimes depends on the presence or type of design. Watermark trays are used either with special watermark detection fluid or with regular lighter fluid. (Take appropriate precautions with the latter as it's volatile and flammable!)
Good luck with this. There's a lot of fun to be had sorting and classifying common and inexpensive stamps. And you never know when lightning may strike.
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11:53:05pm
re: Washington Stamp
This is a scan of a perf gauge, one of the best
for world wide stamp collectors.
It is just a matter matching the lines with
the center of the perforations.
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re: Washington Stamp
Thankyou for the information and help as everyone has been wonderful.
I will get a stamp gauge but I have a question
Can a Washington stamp the vigeratta ( I think that is what you call it) be printed off centre and gone to one side more and the perforations has been cut down one side into the stamp, if it can happen, how does it happen
I'm nearly finished with the questions as this site has been wonderful
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re: Washington Stamp
Suzanne,
on the perforations question: yes, perfs can be trimmed off, and often are, either by careless cutting by the person affixing them and using scissors rather than fingers OR from a machine that applies the stamps to envelopes automatically IF that machine gets out of register.These are both farily common occurences. another possibility is when both sides' perfs are gone, which makes it either a legitemate imperf, or a coil stamp trimmed to look like an imperf
on the VIGNETTE, which is the central picture (without the scroll work , or frame, common to a series), it can move relative to the frame ONLY if it's two or more different colors, otherwise the entire design (frame and vignette) will be on a single plate.
If you are asking if the entire design (frame and vignette) can move, relative to the perfs, the answer is YES, becuase it's the perfs that are applied after everything has been printed and it's easiy to go off register. There's more to the story, but that should be enough here.
David
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05:10:03pm
re: Washington Stamp
Thankyou for the information as it is most welcome.
I have 2 different Washington stamps that are in the album, when I get hold of my daughter I will send
The stamps have leaves on a vine underneath the picture and one stamp is like I describe before and the other stamp looks really red.
I printed out a stamp gauge and have been practising on the stamps until I get one in the post
This site is the best as I found information so quick
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