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But the pictures of Type I (tips of the foliate do not impinge on the curved line) and Type II (tips of ornaments break the curve) look absolutely indistinguishable to me.
Can anyone with experience or better eyesight point out where to look and which one this might be?
Also, is there an on-line resource to help clarify and sort out all the different variations in these frustrating early (late 1800s to late 1930s) issues?
Thanks, Dave.
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Dave,
I checked and my glasses are relatively clean, and I am seeing the lines impinging on the white semicircular line under "TEN CENTS," thus I would call it number 283. The cancel makes it less clear below the E of TEN, but it seems clearly visible over the 1 of 10 and under the T of CENTS. The colour of your scan also appears to match the expected orange brown for number 283.
As for a resource site online to help with identifying these early USA, I have to confess to being fairly low tech. Don assuredly can give you excellent guidance on that request.
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Hi Dave,
Based upon your image, this is a Type II Scott #283.
One of the quickest and easiest ways to ID this stamp is to consider the color. Orange-brown colors will always be Type II while a deeper brown color will always be Type I.
And of course, the circle around the denomination continues into the outer frame line of the vignette, below the "E" in "TEN". (Same on right side.)
Here is a link to ID the 10 cent.
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1894/10cTypes1898.html
Here is a link for the other 1898 stamps.
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1894/10cTypes1898.html
Don
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Thanks Tom and Don.
I was looking for a very clear impingement, but now see it is more like a discoloration of the vignette line that aligns with the circle around the denomination.
I found another copy that didn't seem to have that. Not only was the color different (as Don mentioned) but there was a significant difference in the sharpness of the features (eyes, hair and collar). Is that another standard used to discern the Types?
I'll try to post a scan tonight when I'm home from work.
Dave.
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The same dies were used for both 282C and 283. The only difference is the "secret mark" was added below the Ten. The colors are quite distinctive to each. The differences are more than enough to identify them correctly and there are no other differences. Plate wear may be what you are seeing with the other stamp.
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I have looked at the Scott's descriptions and pictures for this and have narrowed it down to either #282C (Type I) or 283 (Type II).
But the pictures of Type I (tips of the foliate do not impinge on the curved line) and Type II (tips of ornaments break the curve) look absolutely indistinguishable to me.
Can anyone with experience or better eyesight point out where to look and which one this might be?
Also, is there an on-line resource to help clarify and sort out all the different variations in these frustrating early (late 1800s to late 1930s) issues?
Thanks, Dave.
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re: US 10c (Brown) Daniel Webster - Can't Discern the Variety
Dave,
I checked and my glasses are relatively clean, and I am seeing the lines impinging on the white semicircular line under "TEN CENTS," thus I would call it number 283. The cancel makes it less clear below the E of TEN, but it seems clearly visible over the 1 of 10 and under the T of CENTS. The colour of your scan also appears to match the expected orange brown for number 283.
As for a resource site online to help with identifying these early USA, I have to confess to being fairly low tech. Don assuredly can give you excellent guidance on that request.
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re: US 10c (Brown) Daniel Webster - Can't Discern the Variety
Hi Dave,
Based upon your image, this is a Type II Scott #283.
One of the quickest and easiest ways to ID this stamp is to consider the color. Orange-brown colors will always be Type II while a deeper brown color will always be Type I.
And of course, the circle around the denomination continues into the outer frame line of the vignette, below the "E" in "TEN". (Same on right side.)
Here is a link to ID the 10 cent.
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1894/10cTypes1898.html
Here is a link for the other 1898 stamps.
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/1894/10cTypes1898.html
Don
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re: US 10c (Brown) Daniel Webster - Can't Discern the Variety
Thanks Tom and Don.
I was looking for a very clear impingement, but now see it is more like a discoloration of the vignette line that aligns with the circle around the denomination.
I found another copy that didn't seem to have that. Not only was the color different (as Don mentioned) but there was a significant difference in the sharpness of the features (eyes, hair and collar). Is that another standard used to discern the Types?
I'll try to post a scan tonight when I'm home from work.
Dave.
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re: US 10c (Brown) Daniel Webster - Can't Discern the Variety
The same dies were used for both 282C and 283. The only difference is the "secret mark" was added below the Ten. The colors are quite distinctive to each. The differences are more than enough to identify them correctly and there are no other differences. Plate wear may be what you are seeing with the other stamp.
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