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Europe/Great Britain : Identify UK Cancels

 

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rjan
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21 May 2018
03:56:14pm
I would like identification for the triangles cancels scanned here (if they are cancels).
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mbo1142
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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

21 May 2018
04:50:17pm
re: Identify UK Cancels

I posted a similar question 6 Feb 2014 under "General Philatelic/Identify This?: Help ID and Postmark.

I am not sure how to direct you straight to that posting, but if you search under the above listing posted by mbo1142, you may find part of the answer you are looking for. Do not know what the letters stand for, but the triangle postmark is explained fairly well.

Good luck.

Mel

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smauggie
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21 May 2018
05:44:45pm
re: Identify UK Cancels

The letters/numbers in the triangles indicate the post office which processed these pieces of mail. KT is likely Kent. I have a list somewhere.

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21 May 2018
05:49:53pm
re: Identify UK Cancels

mbo1142, thanks for the reference. That posting dealt with several issues but the crux of the triangle comments was that they were machine generated cancels for mass mailings from as early as 1902. They would seem to be collectible, perhaps I will offer to a precancel specialist.

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smauggie
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21 May 2018
05:50:28pm
re: Identify UK Cancels

Here is a StampoRama thread on the matter:

Identification Triangular Cancels

In the post there are some who refer to these as bulk mail cancels. This is a mistake. These are Printed Matter cancels. You will usually find them on low denomination stamps and covers because of the cheaper rate for mailing printed matter.

I hope this helps.

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21 May 2018
05:52:17pm
re: Identify UK Cancels

"They would seem to be collectible, perhaps I will offer to a precancel specialist."



They are indeed collectible, but are usually collected on cover (with the whole cancel). They are not pre-cancels.

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rjan
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21 May 2018
05:54:13pm
re: Identify UK Cancels

I found a list of postal codes which I assume were current but LX is not included.

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21 May 2018
05:59:30pm
re: Identify UK Cancels

Many postal codes from 100+ years ago have been renamed, closed, etc.

LX is Liverpool Exchange
KT is Kingston on Thames

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24 May 2018
01:40:22am
re: Identify UK Cancels

http://philatelicweb.com/pmks/

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24 May 2018
04:52:25am
re: Identify UK Cancels

Great link LB1! Thanks.

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29 May 2018
12:07:16am
re: Identify UK Cancels

There were also Inspector's Marks"
a triangle with either a number or initials
of either the inspector or the place he
operated from.
While a bit more involved, both Land's End
and John O'Groats used a double lined Triangle
with the name inscribed which could be
considered a cachet or a cancellation,
depending how it fell on the stamp or cover.
There were wavy lines included as a killer.
So if a stamp were soaked from the cover
and only showed the decorative triangle,
it might be a puzzler.

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rjan

21 May 2018
03:56:14pm

I would like identification for the triangles cancels scanned here (if they are cancels).
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mbo1142

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21 May 2018
04:50:17pm

re: Identify UK Cancels

I posted a similar question 6 Feb 2014 under "General Philatelic/Identify This?: Help ID and Postmark.

I am not sure how to direct you straight to that posting, but if you search under the above listing posted by mbo1142, you may find part of the answer you are looking for. Do not know what the letters stand for, but the triangle postmark is explained fairly well.

Good luck.

Mel

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smauggie

21 May 2018
05:44:45pm

re: Identify UK Cancels

The letters/numbers in the triangles indicate the post office which processed these pieces of mail. KT is likely Kent. I have a list somewhere.

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rjan

21 May 2018
05:49:53pm

re: Identify UK Cancels

mbo1142, thanks for the reference. That posting dealt with several issues but the crux of the triangle comments was that they were machine generated cancels for mass mailings from as early as 1902. They would seem to be collectible, perhaps I will offer to a precancel specialist.

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smauggie

21 May 2018
05:50:28pm

re: Identify UK Cancels

Here is a StampoRama thread on the matter:

Identification Triangular Cancels

In the post there are some who refer to these as bulk mail cancels. This is a mistake. These are Printed Matter cancels. You will usually find them on low denomination stamps and covers because of the cheaper rate for mailing printed matter.

I hope this helps.

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smauggie

21 May 2018
05:52:17pm

re: Identify UK Cancels

"They would seem to be collectible, perhaps I will offer to a precancel specialist."



They are indeed collectible, but are usually collected on cover (with the whole cancel). They are not pre-cancels.

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rjan

21 May 2018
05:54:13pm

re: Identify UK Cancels

I found a list of postal codes which I assume were current but LX is not included.

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smauggie

21 May 2018
05:59:30pm

re: Identify UK Cancels

Many postal codes from 100+ years ago have been renamed, closed, etc.

LX is Liverpool Exchange
KT is Kingston on Thames

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24 May 2018
01:40:22am

re: Identify UK Cancels

http://philatelicweb.com/pmks/

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nigelc

24 May 2018
04:52:25am

re: Identify UK Cancels

Great link LB1! Thanks.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
29 May 2018
12:07:16am

re: Identify UK Cancels

There were also Inspector's Marks"
a triangle with either a number or initials
of either the inspector or the place he
operated from.
While a bit more involved, both Land's End
and John O'Groats used a double lined Triangle
with the name inscribed which could be
considered a cachet or a cancellation,
depending how it fell on the stamp or cover.
There were wavy lines included as a killer.
So if a stamp were soaked from the cover
and only showed the decorative triangle,
it might be a puzzler.

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
        

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