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31 Mar 2018
06:26:15pm

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31 Mar 2018
06:56:54pm
re: Somewhere in Middle-East? Need Help on this one

Hi,

This is from the Indian state of Nawanagar, Sc. #8 (thick paper) or #14 (thin paper) from 1893.

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31 Mar 2018
07:04:43pm
re: Somewhere in Middle-East? Need Help on this one

I happened to be looking this up and was just about to type a reply when I happily saw that Nigel answered. (I say "happily" because I would trust Nigel's answer over my own under virtually any circumstance!)

For what it's worth, I did note that Stanley Gibbons shows the Indian state as Nigel has written it, "Nawanagar", whereas Scott spells it as "Nowanuggur", in case you're trying to find it in a Scott catalog or album.

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31 Mar 2018
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Very informative Thanks!

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31 Mar 2018
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re: Somewhere in Middle-East? Need Help on this one

I forgot to mention that the Scott 2017 values #8 at $7.50 unused and #14 at $3.40 unused.

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malcolm197

08 May 2018
10:16:37am
re: Somewhere in Middle-East? Need Help on this one

I think you will find that SG is using the contemporary anglicised version of the name( at the time the stamps were issued )while Scott is using the current more politically correct version ( rather like Bombay and Mumbai, Calcutta and Kolkhatar ).

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08 May 2018
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I'm not convinced Malcolm. Happy

The current name of the city and its district is Jamnagar.

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malcolm197

09 May 2018
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I am sorry if my original post did not make clear that I was saying that the alternative Scott spelling referred to the WORD Nawanagar not it's geographical or geopolitical existence.

If you Google "Nawanagar" without any reference to stamps the first "Wiki" result will show what I mean.

Since Independence in 1947 all the native or princely states progressively disappeared and were replaced by a "new order" of provinces and states rather like Napoleon did in France (creating the department system in order to better impose his will ) - actually the mechanisms were probably entirely different but the intentions and results were probably very similar. This means that trying to compare the geography then and now is futile.

To go back to the Napoleonic analagy - if you talk about "Burgundy" in France everyone knows what you mean, but "officially" it no longer exists, however it is often used for quasi-official purposes such as tourism, and is also often used culturally. However all for all state purposes authority is exercised theough the appropriate "departement" - even down to car registration plates- and incidentally to stay on topic postcodes ( the first 2 digits of the postcard are the departement number e.g. 29 Finistere - which is in Brittany "Region", actually Brittany is not a good example as linguistic differences apply to the whole region).

Malcolm

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31 Mar 2018
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Hi,

This is from the Indian state of Nawanagar, Sc. #8 (thick paper) or #14 (thin paper) from 1893.

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re: Somewhere in Middle-East? Need Help on this one

I happened to be looking this up and was just about to type a reply when I happily saw that Nigel answered. (I say "happily" because I would trust Nigel's answer over my own under virtually any circumstance!)

For what it's worth, I did note that Stanley Gibbons shows the Indian state as Nigel has written it, "Nawanagar", whereas Scott spells it as "Nowanuggur", in case you're trying to find it in a Scott catalog or album.

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Very informative Thanks!

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re: Somewhere in Middle-East? Need Help on this one

I forgot to mention that the Scott 2017 values #8 at $7.50 unused and #14 at $3.40 unused.

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08 May 2018
10:16:37am

re: Somewhere in Middle-East? Need Help on this one

I think you will find that SG is using the contemporary anglicised version of the name( at the time the stamps were issued )while Scott is using the current more politically correct version ( rather like Bombay and Mumbai, Calcutta and Kolkhatar ).

Malcolm

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08 May 2018
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I'm not convinced Malcolm. Happy

The current name of the city and its district is Jamnagar.

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malcolm197

09 May 2018
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re: Somewhere in Middle-East? Need Help on this one

I am sorry if my original post did not make clear that I was saying that the alternative Scott spelling referred to the WORD Nawanagar not it's geographical or geopolitical existence.

If you Google "Nawanagar" without any reference to stamps the first "Wiki" result will show what I mean.

Since Independence in 1947 all the native or princely states progressively disappeared and were replaced by a "new order" of provinces and states rather like Napoleon did in France (creating the department system in order to better impose his will ) - actually the mechanisms were probably entirely different but the intentions and results were probably very similar. This means that trying to compare the geography then and now is futile.

To go back to the Napoleonic analagy - if you talk about "Burgundy" in France everyone knows what you mean, but "officially" it no longer exists, however it is often used for quasi-official purposes such as tourism, and is also often used culturally. However all for all state purposes authority is exercised theough the appropriate "departement" - even down to car registration plates- and incidentally to stay on topic postcodes ( the first 2 digits of the postcard are the departement number e.g. 29 Finistere - which is in Brittany "Region", actually Brittany is not a good example as linguistic differences apply to the whole region).

Malcolm

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