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angore
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12 Mar 2018
07:41:48am
I have two stamps that I would like some help on identification.

Both Imperial Crown so Scott 151/152 and 153/154

The top stamp has 3 line and lower stamp has 4 lines so upper Scott so Scott 153 and lower is Scott 151. The beards are also obviously different.

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The next is to determine Type 1 die vs Type 2 die. It looks like the upper most scale appears to be complete so Type 1 Scott 151 (not 151d). However, there is larger detail that is not complete. The words uppermost scale is ambiguous.

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For the 1p, the beard appears dense so both are 152.


The difference between Type 1 and Type 2 is lines across ribbon next crown. The question is one or both an example of "two complete lines". They look different. The one on left has one line slightly less complete and I see differences between printings like next to crown.

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Winedrinker
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12 Mar 2018
10:11:32am
re: Great Britain KGV ID help

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I believe you are trying to determine between #152 (Die 1A) and #152g (Die 1B). I find it easiest to look just to the left and below the "R" in Revenue. 152g has more white space (missing line) just above the leaves. 152 has a line going through that space.

Both Die 1, but the "B" was a minor tweak that occurred shortly after. Die 2 (not shown in my scan) would clean things up even more, making the lion less hungry, and cleaning up the beard on the 1/2p.

Hope I was on the right track here.

Edit: On re-reading your post, I see you were already aware of what I was talking about -- so, I am intrigued now by those differences you are talking about. Happy

Wine

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angore
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12 Mar 2018
11:41:01am
re: Great Britain KGV ID help

I actually uploaded the wrong image for the 1p so I replaced it with the correct one. The difference is supposed to be in the ribbon next to the crown.

I would guess it is 152 not 152g since there are 2 almost complete lines but do not know for sure.

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Winedrinker
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12 Mar 2018
03:57:37pm
re: Great Britain KGV ID help

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These stamps drive me crazy. That said, I believe I am depicting #152 showing (starting from the left) one interrupted line followed by a complete line.

I am sure you have #152g (both of them) showing (starting from the left) two interrupted lines and then a a complete line.

The Stanley Gibbons catalogue shows very good illustrations of the differences. The Scott catalogue has only a verbal description. Which will only drive you mad. A picture of the differences solves the puzzle.



Cheers!
Wine



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angore
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13 Mar 2018
07:20:27pm
re: Great Britain KGV ID help

I looked at my SG catalogue and agree with you. I was not sure when the lines started and how complete they had to be.

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sheepshanks
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13 Mar 2018
08:56:19pm
re: Great Britain KGV ID help

Here are the two dies, left one is die a: right is die b.
Hope this makes it clearer.

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pigdoc
14 Mar 2018
10:37:38am
re: Great Britain KGV ID help

Yes, Winedrinker, your sentiment ("drive me crazy") was my first reaction to this posting.

Wow, how complicated!

But, that's what makes the "world go round"...

-Paul

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