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Dean Waler

15 Jan 2005
08:40:55am
Hi there.

I don't have a lot of time because I have to go help my dad stretch fence today so my qiestion may not be real clear. In a box of stuff my uncle gave me I found a thick Blue Album called the International Postage Stamp Album. It has maps in the front of countries that don't exist anymore. It has a lot of stamps in it and inside the front cover is three pages with pockets that are full of stamps that my Scott catalog calls Germania. I am having trouble telling some of them them apart. The catalog says they were printed in 1900 and 1901 and 1905-1919 and 1916-1919. I know some have watermarks but I don't know if they all do or not. Some of them were printed over and over again but I don't know how to tell which is which. Can anyone here help me please?

Thank you Dean Waler
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Jan-Simon

15 Jan 2005
10:11:03am
re: How to identify Germania stamps

The easy way to tell them apart is this:
the 1900-1 issues have "Reichspost" written below, where the others have "Deutsches Reich".
When you have taken these out, you can now select the ones with the white background, those are the 1916-1919 ones.
Now you are left with the 1905-1919 selection, which has a background of fine lines.
You could check these for watermarks, it is the only type that has stamps with and without them.

I hope this helped.

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Dean Waler

16 Jan 2005
06:40:13pm
re: How to identify Germania stamps

Jan-Simon, thank you. Once I knew what to look for it was easy. I guess I was too busy looking at he stamps to see what I was seeing. I hope you undestand.

Dean Waler

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Rene1
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26 Jul 2018
12:01:11pm
re: How to identify Germania stamps

same era... different question
I have a pair of stamps that I just need a bit more information on
They are 1916-19,
Scott design A22
Cat # 97,98
Perf 14
Wtmk 125
As you can see they are attached.
However in the Standard Catalogue (2016) this is no listing for those two stamps to be attached. There are listings for 98 and 99, 98 and 100, 98 and 82(5pf)

I do not have the specialized catalogue
Has anyone seen a listing for this pairing of stamps... I presume they came from a booklet.
I would just like to have the rest of the information
Thank you for your time
Rene
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26 Jul 2018
02:46:41pm
re: How to identify Germania stamps

I do see this listed as a pair in a stamp data base called Stamp Manage (there is a free 30-day trial online), and they are from a booklet. No other information though.

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26 Jul 2018
03:23:44pm
re: How to identify Germania stamps

The snapshot below is taken from a 1994/1995 Michel specialized catalogue. I am not sure which one you have, because I cannot read German, but look at the "Germania (aus Automatenrollen)" listing at the bottom of this picture. It might be in here, that is my best guess.

Hope this helps,
Linus

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26 Jul 2018
03:24:57pm
re: How to identify Germania stamps

The 7 1/2 and 2 1/2 Germania from 1916 (Michel 98, 99) in attached vertical pairs came from a vending machine and are coil stamps.

Keeping the Germania issues apart is not to difficult.

first issue 1900 - REICHPOST at the bottom
second issue 1905 / 1913 - Watermark, DEUTSCHES REICH at the bottom,
unclear print.
third issue 1915 - same as above but the print is not as clear.
I use the cross on top of the crown to keep these apart.
fourth issue & other issues can easily be kept apart by denomination and color.


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26 Jul 2018
08:54:38pm
re: How to identify Germania stamps

Thank you all very much.
Linus That is exactly what I wanted/needed.
I don't have the Michel for Germany so this is very helpful. Thank you again.

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26 Jul 2018
09:03:08pm
re: How to identify Germania stamps

sorry... after my last post... I got to wondering ... if they are coil stamps, would the y not only be perferated horizontally?

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michael78651

26 Jul 2018
09:05:10pm
re: How to identify Germania stamps

Not necessarily.

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27 Jul 2018
12:41:00am
re: How to identify Germania stamps

By following this link: http://mitch.seymourfamily.com/mward/collection/europe/germany/germany.html you can see all of the Germania stamps issued b Germany proper (except the two that I do not have) There are also many of the Germania issues that were overprinted for use in German offices abroad. Note that below the thumbnails for pages in the link that there are high res scans of each type to see the differences in detail for the different issues.


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27 Jul 2018
02:13:48am
re: How to identify Germania stamps

Here's is Antonius's Germania URL as a hot link.

Bob

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27 Jul 2018
11:47:15am
re: How to identify Germania stamps

"if they are coil stamps, would the y not only be perferated horizontally?"



Coil stamps were printed on cylinders or rotary print. The difference to normal sheets is there are no top or bottom selvage. There are only two ways to determine a coil from a regular stamp, a vertical strip of 11 or more stamps or by the count number on the right or left selvage. The coil will always have their numbers from right to left and on both sides. In German these are called Rollenbahnbögen, (Rb) in the Michel. Kind of means sheets that came from a roll of paper.

Rotary sheet, normal

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Rotary sheet for coil
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CF1957

30 Jul 2018
04:32:37pm
re: How to identify Germania stamps

If you want proper information on German stamps go here.

https://www.germanstamps.net/?s=germania

There's a Germania ID page

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Dean Waler

15 Jan 2005
08:40:55am

Hi there.

I don't have a lot of time because I have to go help my dad stretch fence today so my qiestion may not be real clear. In a box of stuff my uncle gave me I found a thick Blue Album called the International Postage Stamp Album. It has maps in the front of countries that don't exist anymore. It has a lot of stamps in it and inside the front cover is three pages with pockets that are full of stamps that my Scott catalog calls Germania. I am having trouble telling some of them them apart. The catalog says they were printed in 1900 and 1901 and 1905-1919 and 1916-1919. I know some have watermarks but I don't know if they all do or not. Some of them were printed over and over again but I don't know how to tell which is which. Can anyone here help me please?

Thank you Dean Waler

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Jan-Simon

15 Jan 2005
10:11:03am

re: How to identify Germania stamps

The easy way to tell them apart is this:
the 1900-1 issues have "Reichspost" written below, where the others have "Deutsches Reich".
When you have taken these out, you can now select the ones with the white background, those are the 1916-1919 ones.
Now you are left with the 1905-1919 selection, which has a background of fine lines.
You could check these for watermarks, it is the only type that has stamps with and without them.

I hope this helped.

Jan-Simon

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Dean Waler

16 Jan 2005
06:40:13pm

re: How to identify Germania stamps

Jan-Simon, thank you. Once I knew what to look for it was easy. I guess I was too busy looking at he stamps to see what I was seeing. I hope you undestand.

Dean Waler

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Rene1

26 Jul 2018
12:01:11pm

re: How to identify Germania stamps

same era... different question
I have a pair of stamps that I just need a bit more information on
They are 1916-19,
Scott design A22
Cat # 97,98
Perf 14
Wtmk 125
As you can see they are attached.
However in the Standard Catalogue (2016) this is no listing for those two stamps to be attached. There are listings for 98 and 99, 98 and 100, 98 and 82(5pf)

I do not have the specialized catalogue
Has anyone seen a listing for this pairing of stamps... I presume they came from a booklet.
I would just like to have the rest of the information
Thank you for your time
Rene
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StampWrangler

26 Jul 2018
02:46:41pm

re: How to identify Germania stamps

I do see this listed as a pair in a stamp data base called Stamp Manage (there is a free 30-day trial online), and they are from a booklet. No other information though.

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Linus

26 Jul 2018
03:23:44pm

re: How to identify Germania stamps

The snapshot below is taken from a 1994/1995 Michel specialized catalogue. I am not sure which one you have, because I cannot read German, but look at the "Germania (aus Automatenrollen)" listing at the bottom of this picture. It might be in here, that is my best guess.

Hope this helps,
Linus

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Opa

26 Jul 2018
03:24:57pm

re: How to identify Germania stamps

The 7 1/2 and 2 1/2 Germania from 1916 (Michel 98, 99) in attached vertical pairs came from a vending machine and are coil stamps.

Keeping the Germania issues apart is not to difficult.

first issue 1900 - REICHPOST at the bottom
second issue 1905 / 1913 - Watermark, DEUTSCHES REICH at the bottom,
unclear print.
third issue 1915 - same as above but the print is not as clear.
I use the cross on top of the crown to keep these apart.
fourth issue & other issues can easily be kept apart by denomination and color.


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Rene1

26 Jul 2018
08:54:38pm

re: How to identify Germania stamps

Thank you all very much.
Linus That is exactly what I wanted/needed.
I don't have the Michel for Germany so this is very helpful. Thank you again.

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Rene1

26 Jul 2018
09:03:08pm

re: How to identify Germania stamps

sorry... after my last post... I got to wondering ... if they are coil stamps, would the y not only be perferated horizontally?

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michael78651

26 Jul 2018
09:05:10pm

re: How to identify Germania stamps

Not necessarily.

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27 Jul 2018
12:41:00am

re: How to identify Germania stamps

By following this link: http://mitch.seymourfamily.com/mward/collection/europe/germany/germany.html you can see all of the Germania stamps issued b Germany proper (except the two that I do not have) There are also many of the Germania issues that were overprinted for use in German offices abroad. Note that below the thumbnails for pages in the link that there are high res scans of each type to see the differences in detail for the different issues.


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27 Jul 2018
02:13:48am

re: How to identify Germania stamps

Here's is Antonius's Germania URL as a hot link.

Bob

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Opa

27 Jul 2018
11:47:15am

re: How to identify Germania stamps

"if they are coil stamps, would the y not only be perferated horizontally?"



Coil stamps were printed on cylinders or rotary print. The difference to normal sheets is there are no top or bottom selvage. There are only two ways to determine a coil from a regular stamp, a vertical strip of 11 or more stamps or by the count number on the right or left selvage. The coil will always have their numbers from right to left and on both sides. In German these are called Rollenbahnbögen, (Rb) in the Michel. Kind of means sheets that came from a roll of paper.

Rotary sheet, normal

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Rotary sheet for coil
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CF1957

30 Jul 2018
04:32:37pm

re: How to identify Germania stamps

If you want proper information on German stamps go here.

https://www.germanstamps.net/?s=germania

There's a Germania ID page

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