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I believe the guy who made these was Ross Wetreich of Valley Stream, NY. I remember the ads for these in Linn's in the day.
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How do you know if it is a "Ross" FDC? I didn't see a name/mark on your scan that would indicate it.
I just ran across about 600 US FDCs so if I know what to look for I could go through them sometime.
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This is indeed a Ross FDC. Most of his foil cachets have this characteristic eagle banner frame. The Ross name and production year can usually be found in the lower right corner of the cachet. McCusker lists similar Ross covers for $6.00.
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In my humble opinion, identification of a Ross Silver Foil Cachet can usually be done solely on style. During this time period, I do not believe anybody else was producing a similar type cachet. They are, kind of, unique.
If anyone is interested, Ross Wetreich also produced the R W Cachet, a printed cachet. Example, hopefully, to follow:
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Here is another example of a Ross cachet, apropos to this Christmas season. As with the image posted by Stampaholic, the foil cachet doesn't scan well and appears much darker than it actually is. The Ross name, year, and copyright are in the lower right hand corner but are not visible in this scan.
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There were at least two other companies doing "stick on" cachets in that era.
Colorano produced their "silk" cachets. The gold embossed frame was standard and printed on the envelope. The cachet was printed on a fabric and had a self adhesive back.
Clyde Sarzin did these Sarzin Metal Cachets. This was a small metal plate, quite heavy in respect for a first day cover. Again, a self adhesive onto an envelope. This plate is about the size of a credit card and reminds me of dashboard plaques we'd order for participants of car shows. It very well may have been ordered from the same source.
All of these covers mentioned in this thread were heavily advertised, back in the 1970s, when collecting different cachets was in vogue. I think they were done in quantity so there shouldn't be much of a premium today. I got a number of the Sarzin ones in a lot of FDCs I bought in the last year.
Colorano and Wetreich also did event cachets.
It will be interesting to see how these age, as the glue dries out. Will they stain the envelopes, or simply fall off? Even old Artcraft Cachets are showing glue aging lately, with the angled gum on the back flap showing as dark spots on the cover faces.
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Here is a pic of the back of the cover of my first posting. it appears that they were issued in limited numbered amounts of 500; was wondering what original cost of one was.
BTW: they fall off when the glue dries out. The one I have pictured did so. I glued it back
on with paper glue. I have eight of them. On the other seven the cachets still on solidly.
Also I think had one of those gold plated FDCs some years ago. Don't what happened to it but if I remember correctly, The metal of it was quite heavy.
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Stampaholic:
A little additional information about Ross Silver Foil Cachets.
The cachet was applied to the envelope after it had been canceled, therefore, some people/collectors might refer to them as "add-ons".
They were only available for purchase as a FDC, no self-service envelopes were sold. (Limited edition control).
The first one was produced for the Missouri Statehood stamp of 1971 (Scott's #1426).
I could not locate much information about original costs. I have several old Cachet Directories, which might have had this information, but I could not locate them at this time. However, a set of four FDCS, American Bicentennial, Contributors to the Cause, Scott's #1559 - #1562, originally cost $4.70 from the producer.
Perhaps some of this information is helpful.
Respectfully submitted:
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If anyone has some Linn's from 1971 through the Bicentennial era, Ross ran small display ads in every issue. I believe the covers cost around $1 each.
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Thanks for the help.
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HI! gang. looked and looked , can't find info on Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
Any help would be appreciated.
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re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
I believe the guy who made these was Ross Wetreich of Valley Stream, NY. I remember the ads for these in Linn's in the day.
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re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
How do you know if it is a "Ross" FDC? I didn't see a name/mark on your scan that would indicate it.
I just ran across about 600 US FDCs so if I know what to look for I could go through them sometime.
Dave.
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re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
This is indeed a Ross FDC. Most of his foil cachets have this characteristic eagle banner frame. The Ross name and production year can usually be found in the lower right corner of the cachet. McCusker lists similar Ross covers for $6.00.
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09:41:55am
re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
lemaven:
In my humble opinion, identification of a Ross Silver Foil Cachet can usually be done solely on style. During this time period, I do not believe anybody else was producing a similar type cachet. They are, kind of, unique.
If anyone is interested, Ross Wetreich also produced the R W Cachet, a printed cachet. Example, hopefully, to follow:
Respectfully submitted:
jrc
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re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
Here is another example of a Ross cachet, apropos to this Christmas season. As with the image posted by Stampaholic, the foil cachet doesn't scan well and appears much darker than it actually is. The Ross name, year, and copyright are in the lower right hand corner but are not visible in this scan.
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re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
There were at least two other companies doing "stick on" cachets in that era.
Colorano produced their "silk" cachets. The gold embossed frame was standard and printed on the envelope. The cachet was printed on a fabric and had a self adhesive back.
Clyde Sarzin did these Sarzin Metal Cachets. This was a small metal plate, quite heavy in respect for a first day cover. Again, a self adhesive onto an envelope. This plate is about the size of a credit card and reminds me of dashboard plaques we'd order for participants of car shows. It very well may have been ordered from the same source.
All of these covers mentioned in this thread were heavily advertised, back in the 1970s, when collecting different cachets was in vogue. I think they were done in quantity so there shouldn't be much of a premium today. I got a number of the Sarzin ones in a lot of FDCs I bought in the last year.
Colorano and Wetreich also did event cachets.
It will be interesting to see how these age, as the glue dries out. Will they stain the envelopes, or simply fall off? Even old Artcraft Cachets are showing glue aging lately, with the angled gum on the back flap showing as dark spots on the cover faces.
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re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
Here is a pic of the back of the cover of my first posting. it appears that they were issued in limited numbered amounts of 500; was wondering what original cost of one was.
BTW: they fall off when the glue dries out. The one I have pictured did so. I glued it back
on with paper glue. I have eight of them. On the other seven the cachets still on solidly.
Also I think had one of those gold plated FDCs some years ago. Don't what happened to it but if I remember correctly, The metal of it was quite heavy.
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re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
Stampaholic:
A little additional information about Ross Silver Foil Cachets.
The cachet was applied to the envelope after it had been canceled, therefore, some people/collectors might refer to them as "add-ons".
They were only available for purchase as a FDC, no self-service envelopes were sold. (Limited edition control).
The first one was produced for the Missouri Statehood stamp of 1971 (Scott's #1426).
I could not locate much information about original costs. I have several old Cachet Directories, which might have had this information, but I could not locate them at this time. However, a set of four FDCS, American Bicentennial, Contributors to the Cause, Scott's #1559 - #1562, originally cost $4.70 from the producer.
Perhaps some of this information is helpful.
Respectfully submitted:
jrc
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re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
If anyone has some Linn's from 1971 through the Bicentennial era, Ross ran small display ads in every issue. I believe the covers cost around $1 each.
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re: Ross silver foil cacheted FDCs.
Thanks for the help.
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