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07 Oct 2017
11:44:28pm
Are there any non-USA generated world-wide albums for pre-1900 or pre-1970 dates with anything like similar comprehensiveness to the Scott International or Minkus Supreme Global albums? Ideally albums that are still available but I am also interested in any information others might have on older albums as well.

I've seen a few really old world wide albums dating before 1900 but none are still in print as best I can tell.

I know that Stanley Gibbons has made some British Commonwealth albums but these are British sphere only as best I can tell.
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08 Oct 2017
09:41:46am
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AFAIK none of the European alternatives have not been printed in decades (except some Schaubek reprints).

But you might like to check the discussion at https://www.stampcollectingblog.com/qa-onfocus-stamp-storage.php?qa=14757 (for subscribers only, registration required) for some of the albums that existed.

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08 Oct 2017
11:04:30am
re: World Wide Albums?

Thanks very much for the link to the thread on the stamp collecting site. It had some very useful information. It is always interesting hearing from Jim Jackson and Keijo as well. I checked out the Yvert web site and the Stanley Gibbons site last night and waded through the French language site trying to get the gist of things using my forty-five year old high school French which would have been quite comical to anyone who could listen in to my thoughts as I was trying to figure out what they were saying. It was an interesting class as I was the only boy and a ninth grader in a class with twenty tenth and eleventh grade girls. But, i digress...

I would love to see images of binders, title page, and some sample pages (with or without stamps) from any albums that anyone runs across posted to this thread that would present world wide stamp album options. I have Scott International, Minkus Supreme Global, Scott Grand Award, Minkus New World Wide, Stanley Gibbons Windsor country album, Scott Specialty France album, and used to have the Harris Standard two volume album and have seen a number of beginner world wide albums but would like to see less well known albums including beginner albums that have more attractive layouts than the typical Harris and other vendor first album offerings.

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08 Oct 2017
06:26:06pm
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I have had some old Schaubeks from the 1920s that were world wide in scope. But after the stamps were removed, the albums were trashed, as the paper was quite acidic. Surprise

I suspect the lack of present day WW albums from European sources is because of different storage habits: the popularity of using stock books or stock pages for one's stamps.

One can still find Country specific albums (Davo from the Netherlands comes to mind) from Europe, however. Cool

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08 Oct 2017
10:41:42pm
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I have identified only three possibilities so far:

1) Stanley Gibbons Ideal album which stopped publication some time ago and covered up to 1936 in two volumes with one covering British Commonwealth and the second covering the rest of the world.

2) Yvert and Tellier album which I can't tell from their web site whether it is still published although they do offer a "classic" time period world wide catalog. I saw one eBay offering for the catalog and saw some issues of its cover through Bing.

3) a Canadian offering of a series of world albums that look very similar to Harris albums with all stamps laid out linearly in rows across the album page with different versions up to five volumes. Noted that even the publisher suggests that for more comprehensive albums interested buyers should consider the Scott International.

For country specific albums several vendors seem to offer fairly large ranges of countries with album series available from Davo, Schaubek, Yvert and Tellier, Stanley Gibbons, Lighthouse, Safe, and, of course, the Scott Specialty albums with lots of older Minkus Specialized items frequently available through eBay and older collections. All of these turn into quite a bit more cost than even complete 49 volume sets of the Scott International albums but none really comes close to the number of countries represented in the International albums as best I can tell.

Steiner's site http://www.stampalbums.com/ offers print it yourself albums but they lack stamp pictures and catalog numbers and are definitely overwhelming with the classic 1840-1940 time frame occupying 6500 printed pages and leaving a painful amount of white space even on truly comprehensive world wide collections.

I am still interested in any examples of really attractive pre-printed albums similar to the Scott International series that might be still being produced or that were previously produced and seeing scans of the previously mentioned binder, title page, and some sample interior pages for the albums.

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08 Oct 2017
11:45:11pm
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The Scott International Albums are grossly abridged between 1840 and around 1950. The current Scott Internationals are actually what were known as the Scott International Junior Album. Older copies of this album will show that title.

If you want to get the true Scott International Album pages for that era, then you will need to get the Scott International Brown Albums that are produced by Vintage Reproductions (Subway Stamp Shop). The "Browns" are what became the Scott Specialty Album Series.

You can find old, used Scott Specialty Albums now and then to give you those pages, but not all. Steiner pages can be used to fill in the blanks.

Note also that not all countries with Scott listed stamps are included in the Scott Internationals. I typed out the list below. Note that some of the countries have pages up to a point, then nothing for the newer stamp issues, and some simply are not provided at all. I give you this list so that you can be aware of it. To get album pages, you will have to find other albums, or use Steiner pages. Personally I believe that with the price Scott charges for the International annual supplement, they should include the pages for all the Scott listed countries. I print out Steiner pages for them.

Cambodia
Cuba
Grenada Grenadines
Iran
Iraq
North Korea
Libya
Mongolia
Nicaragua
St. Vincent Grenadines (including Bequia; Canouan; Mayreau; Mustique; Union Island)
Turkish Cyprus
Sovereign Order of Malta
Viet Nam
Somalia

If you want to save paper, you can print the Steiner pages front and back on each piece of paper you print. I do this and have no problem even using mounts for every stamp placed on an album page.

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09 Oct 2017
10:10:26am
re: World Wide Albums?

Thanks very much for the list of countries that are not being updated through the International albums currently. I am quite amazed at the number of well known countries that are currently being excluded from coverage.

I have been moving a Minkus Supreme Global album based collection covering 1840 to 1966 for most countries to the Scott International's in parts 1 through 5 and must say that I much prefer the aesthetics of the Scott albums but am definitely running into some issues with the exclusion of varieties from the Scott albums with nearly a thousand stamps in the A-H countries out of five thousand that I had being excluded! This collection is primarily of unused but hinged stamps while a second collection in an International Part 1 album is significantly more complete but contains a much higher representation of used stamps.

So far I have gradually shifted to not moving the unlisted stamps as it has proved too cumbersome to resolve during the migration. I suspect that I am going to end up getting rid of the non-Scott included items and simply collect to the albums rather than attempt to expand the coverage with additional pages as my entire collection will probably never reach any significant level of completeness for all available varieties for the time period on which I am currently working. Collecting to a reasonable degree of completeness for the 35,000 issues in the International Part 1 seems a lot more possible than collecting the 83,000 issues in the Vintage albums that Subway Stamps offers or the Steiner complete coverage option. It has been quite interesting that the album coverage itself has had a major impact on my collecting interests as I focus on the album covered varieties.

I did end up moving the majority of the uncovered Great Britain stamps to a standalone Windsor album as it was too painful to exclude them. Happy . I had bought the Windsor album for a few of its included items some time ago and this was my first time really working with the additional detailed coverage of the later issues and definitely found it to be an interesting exercise. I really like the additional details on the stamps being presented on the facing page but the inclusion of phosphor tagged stamps on the same page is awkward as you can't even see a difference with normal light on the page in the issues so they just look odd to be duplicated. Sad

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09 Oct 2017
11:15:26am
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"Collecting to a reasonable degree of completeness for the the 35,000 issues in the International Part 1 seems a lot more possible than collecting the 99,000 issues in the Vintage albums"



The decision is yours, of course, but you'll have to remember that you'll be running across or even already have many of the 64,000 stamps not in the abridged International. You'll have to decide whether to ignore, make pages to add to the International or put them in another album/stock book, etc. I offer this as something to take into consideration.
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09 Oct 2017
12:16:07pm
re: World Wide Albums?

I very much appreciate the input! The discussions about collecting, storing, and presenting stamps and the examples from others on how and what they are collecting on the Stamporama site has been one of the main highlights for me of membership these past few months and have added greatly to my enjoyment of the hobby. The discussions have definitely stimulated me to "step up my game" in the pursuit as well. Blushing

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12 Oct 2017
11:40:53am
re: World Wide Albums?

While not a "non-USA" WW album, I just wanted to mention Palo albums, which has the same coverage as Steiner pages, but in a "more professional" and larger format.


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12 Oct 2017
11:22:54pm
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Does Palo offer a world-wide album as compared to individual country albums? Checking their web site now as I was not aware of that. I only put non-USA as a criteria as I wasn't aware of any other makers of albums that were still operating in the USA that made a comprehensive world-wide album.

Checked their site. They do offer some Colony groupings as well as individual countries. Oddly they have a very interesting British Commonwealth album in Stanley Gibbons order available by monarch from Victoria through Elizabeth for 1840 through 1970 likely matching the Stamps of the World catalog. There does not seem to be a world-wide pages offering in Scott number sequence by period that would compare. Sad

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13 Oct 2017
11:06:24am
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No they don't offer a worldwide album per se, the same way Steiner doesn't offer a worldwide album, but you could order the pages to put together a worldwide album (would cost a $$$). In fact Paul from Palo once said to me in an e-mail:


"... we have a customer who currently has a budget to spend $1000 per month on worldwide hingeless pages up to 1940. He’s been doing this for about 12 months now and he is on the letter “G”. So, I can imagine hingeless pages and binders may end up costing him about $30,000 total. Non-hingeless, I would guess to be about one-third of that."

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14 Oct 2017
12:44:03am
re: World Wide Albums?

That was about what it looked like to me from the web site. Still looking to see what others might have seen. I am quite surprised to see so little in the way of options though.

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14 Oct 2017
08:00:33am
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Yes, there's not much in terms of real worldwide albums...either Scott International, Minkus Supreme, or Steiner pages seem to be what most people are using.

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13 Dec 2017
07:54:54pm
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jbaxter,

Just wondering if you came to any conclusions regarding your worldwide album? Asking because I struggle with the same thing. I like the look and feel of the Scott Internationals and the knowing that completion is a realistic goal, but the "grossly abridged" - as Michael says - nature of it is frustrating Crying

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13 Dec 2017
09:27:24pm
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Chris,

I have a love-hate-love relationship with my Scott Internationals. I end up adding at least one blank page for each major country. In some cases it is three or four.

A thought... If I really had time, I would consider making "delta" ("difference") pages--homemade pages that when added to Big Blue give the same coverage as the Big Brown (or Big Green). I even thought to call those extra pages Big Orange (Blue + Orange = Brown) or Big Yellow (Blue + Yellow = Green).

For me, it all comes back to the ability to complete the collection, as you pointed out. So, again for me, the frustrating part is not the abridged nature, it is the many pages with single stamps. My Parts I-V now take up 7 binders, and I'm about to add an 8th. I might go straight to 9 just to be on the safe side!

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14 Dec 2017
11:31:27am
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I gave up on the 'one size fits all' approach and found that collecting involves a number of methods when it comes to housing my collection(s).

I use everything from a Harris Senior Statesman w/properly sized and punched, blank supplement pages, to Steiner pages in matching 3-ring binders, to homemade pages designed using PowerPoint, Photoshop and a variety of other programs/apps and websites. Some collections are housed in sheet protectors, others hinged or mounted in the more traditional ways. I even have collections housed in Vario pages and a couple using Lindner stockbooks.

At one point I tried "collecting to the album", but it really bugged me having all those nice stamps, without spaces, stashed in glassine envelopes. I also tried sticking to a cut-off date of 1970, but again, there were just too many stamps that I liked post dating that cut-off.

So overall, I've found that adapting different ways, for different collections, works best for me and most are relatively inexpensive. Plus it's all flexible enough to carry on in any direction I decide to go.

I guess it's more of a 'go with the flow' method.


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15 Dec 2017
07:48:56pm
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For now, I am still working on the move to the International albums from the Minkus Supreme Global albums (and leaving stamps in the Minkus album for which there is no place in the Internationals while postponing what I may end up doing with them.). I continue to toy with the idea of a separate 1840-1899, i.e. 19th century collection using either the Vintage Brown pages from the Subway Stamp Shop or creating pages myself using Album Easy.

While I have an original brown Scott 19th Century album the binding is worn-out and the pages seem too fragile for punching for 3-hole binders and mounting stamps with mounts, at least for any MNH acquisitions that might occur. I am, also, concerned that there would simply be too many blank spots in Brown and/or Steiner pages.

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23 Mar 2018
01:40:52am
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Made it up to Salvador with my album move project from the Minkus Supreme Global album set to Scott International Parts I-V (but not Va for 1964-66 as yet Sad ). I am being slowed down a bit as I keep making some acquisitions as I go, not really a lot of stamps although I did get a nice feeder Hungary collection and have been picking up quite a few France and/or French colonies stamps plus some British Commonwealth through the Stamporama approvals and auctions.

Plus got sidetracked into a standalone Great Britain collection for Queen Elizabeth II after watching "The Crown" and bought new pages from Amos Advantage for Great Britain 1840-1996 to which I have been adding clear Scott/Prinz mounts as I've decided to concentrate on unused stamps for that collection. Fortunately I had a spare, unused Scott Specialty binder for the pages. I believe I have about 90% of the stamps from 1953 through 1991 at this point. I got interested in the Machin issues as well and bought a small grouping to start which came mounted on the prettiest printed pages I have seen which are from Leuchtturm. Looks like I will need to find a good solution for verifying watermarks and phosphors which I haven't done before as I have only collected face different issues to date plus an appropriate binder for the Leuchtturm pages. Many of the QE2 stamps came from a collection in a stockbook with some Michel numbers as the only identification so matching the stamps to the Scott album spaces has been interesting. Happy

Also, picked up a large number of Japanese issues at a local stamp show which provided quite an addition to the 6 stamps for the entire period that I had previously in the International albums for Japan.

I continue to really appreciate the aesthetics of the International albums over the Supreme Global albums. I have counted the number of spaces in each of the International albums that I have and have come up with following tallies for each album: Part I - 34,411, Part II - 16,861, Part III - 14,039, Part IV - 8,621, and Part V - 11,662 for a grand total of 85,598 possible stamps through the album set. Note that my Part V album is the latest version which only covers through 1963 (a separate Part Va or 05A pages offering adds coverage through 1965). I anticipate having about 15% of all of the stamps in the albums once I complete the move and will likely have about 2,800 stamps that don't have spaces in the new albums based on my tallies to date. Quite a number of those are from some isolated countries where my pages went beyond the 1966 time period that the original albums covered or from some duplicates on blank pages in the albums.

Updated the tallies for the International album parts as I have found a couple of errors and some stamps that were se tenant pairs rather than individual stamps as I added stamps to the albums.

Updated the tallies again after finding a few additional miscounts.


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01 Apr 2018
12:19:07pm
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Spent a very enjoyable afternoon on Friday at a local stamps store about an hour away going through a "U Pick" International album from Abyssinia to Ethiopia picking out mint stamps at 10 cents each for the first book of my International albums. Found 152 stamps! On my album move project I have now made it through Somaliland Protectorate.

On Saturday went to another stamp store to pick up some 41mm clear mount strips for two nice larger format stamps from France and saw part of the largest stamp collection I have ever seen neatly organized down a row of tables. Over 200 like new Scott Specialty albums were present and the store owner says the collection had nearly 200 more albums as well. Spent a very enjoyable hour scanning through the albums which cover up to 2010 or so. While several albums are somewhat sparse or have duplicates of pages others were largely complete with some of the nicest copies of all different stamps I have ever seen all in one place. I was particularly impressed by Japan, Korea, Greece, France, Africa, and Great Britain with Machins plus some hand made albums that contained detailed, fly speck collections which were superbly written up with very nice handwritten notes.

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02 Apr 2018
05:33:02pm
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jbaxter,

Very nice! I always enjoy going through one of those "U Pick" albums, lots of fun.

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10 Apr 2018
12:48:58am
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I've updated my tally for the International Part I - 34,415, Part II - 16,861, Part III - 14,039, Part IV - 8,621, and Part V - 11,662 albums for a total of 85,598 different spaces for the five album set after finding several spaces that were actually se-tenant pairs when I moved the appropriate stamps into place and later finding a few miscounts.

I've now completed the move through Sweden and managed to pick up a couple of countries which were out of order due to the order they were presented in the Supreme Global albums, Malaya - Singapore became Singapore and Timor which was under its parent country became Timor in the Part I - 1B2 album. I found the two countries because I found that I had skipped a section when counting stamps for which the new albums had no spaces and am now up to 3,587 stamps which lack a home in the new albums! With some recent acquisitions it still looks like I will break 15,000 unique stamps in the new albums for just over 17.5% complete. I think there are at least 400 stamps that will go into the Part Va pages once I locate a set as well.

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10 Apr 2018
09:45:34am
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"I've updated my tally for the International Part I - 34,410, Part II - 16,857, Part III - 14,033, Part IV - 8,621, and Part V - 11,662 albums for a total of 85,553 "




At first, I thought is was the number of stamps you had...Nerd

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10 Apr 2018
11:21:43pm
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Ooh, that would be exciting!


And I am back to the drawing board on a Va set of pages as someone wanted it more than I did on my last eBay bid today. Sad Or had a better idea of its true value. Blushing

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11 Apr 2018
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Be careful about bidding on eBay for those sets of International pages without stamps. I have seen the bidding go above what these pages cost new! Also, some are selling the pages as Buy It Now, also without stamps, for more than what the pages cost new. A few of the album page sets that I have bought on eBay were incomplete, especially with USA missing. A nasty problem where I have seen that seller listing country page sets, which is where I suspect the missing pages were.

If the pages include stamps, you take a chance that the stamps are worth anything. From what I have seen, most of the album pages with stamps have been cherry picked.

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In the beginning i did not realize that when i purchased a Scott big blue album that i would be commited to collecting "their way" . I did it their way for many years,now i want the freedom of choice to collect what i like on plastic stock pages or Steiner pages.Hurry Up

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21 Apr 2018
07:31:38am
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I think if you are going to collect worldwide, one logical way is to use Scott International albums as your "base" and then use blank/quadrille pages to supplement with any additional stamps you have. This allows space not only for extra stamps not in the album, but also for varieties, interesting postmarks, etc.

Of course, it's a pain to take the album apart every time you want to add a blank page. One option, which I think I will try, is to collect the "extra" stamps in a stock book until I have enough to make a full page (Scott quadrille page). Then just save these pages up in a folder throughout the year and then do "album maintenance" at the end/beginning of the year to add the pages.

Thoughts?

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21 Apr 2018
09:30:47am
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This sounds like a practical solution for expansion of an International to a fuller, more complete coverage solution. If your early 1840-1940 collection really gets going use of the Vintage Reproduction pages from Subway Stamp Shop would, also, be an alternative for that era as it would expand coverage by roughly 60,000+ stamps during that period. Or, alternatively, if only specific countries become of intense interest use of Scott Specialty pages for just those countries will actually fit in quite well.

It is really interesting and actually quite exciting that true completeness has been achieved for the 1840-1940 period in the International's by at least two current active collectors with a few others achieving 90% plus completeness in the last decade whereas only three to six known collections ever achieved this level at the all major varieties level and these involved the expenditure of, I believe, millions of dollars with even pre-1900 only collections requiring a million dollar plus expenditure when completed before 1920. Some of these collections are quite well documented with information on the collector and their acquisition process which make for entertaining reading.

Regardless the challenge is definitely present at the International as well as at the full major variety world wide level and provides and promotes a global perspective for stamps and their issuing bodies as well as the people they serve.

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21 Apr 2018
04:02:19pm
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"It is really interesting and actually quite exciting that true completeness has been achieved for the 1840-1940 period in the International's by at least two current active collectors with a few others achieving 90% plus completeness in the last decade"




I'm convinced that this is because many people who start out collecting worldwide using Scott International end up getting frustrated with its limited coverage and move on to either specializing or expanding into another storage system, such as Speciality pages, Steiner pages, stock books, or stock pages, etc..

So, it's not necessarily super difficult to complete a BigBlue, it's just not common for someone to stick with the album for their entire "collecting career" in order to complete it.

That's my hypothesis anyway...

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21 Apr 2018
05:33:14pm
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"So, it's not necessarily super difficult to complete a BigBlue, it's just not common for someone to stick with the album for their entire "collecting career" in order to complete it."



Although Chris is, in part, responsible for making "collecting to the BB album" an easier and more enjoyable task.

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-big-blue-checklist-is-completed.html

Check out Chris's formatted Big Blue Checklist
Spiral bound, 107 double-sided pages
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22 Apr 2018
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When i look at the"holes" in my 9 Scott Internationals..it would be quite expensive to complete them stamp by stamp or set by set.Last week i picked up a Harris Statesman remainder album with pages and pages of D.D.R. and Poland...but when i try to find them in the 1960's big blues..there is no match !Crying

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23 Apr 2018
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Not sure what you me by "no match" on the Poland and DDR pages. I just moved stamps from Scott specialty pages for Poland to Scott Internationals for Poland (I did the same for DDR several months ago). I had no problem, Almost every stamp had a space. For the few missing a space, it was easy to place them on the pages. There is plenty of blank space on the International pages to do that neatly.

Now 1960's Romania is another issue where many stamps do not have spaces allocated for in the International pages.

If you use mounts, one thing you can do this to get many of the stamp sets together. If the album pages has spaces for three out of four stamps in a set, and all the stamps are of the same size, you can overlap the stamps on the images to make the extra stamp fit. You can't really tell that it was done.

If there is no blank space to add the extra stamp or two for a set, find a stamp set that has (using the example above) just three stamps of the same size. Move those stamps to that location (I keep to the same year for doing this), and then place the set of four on the spaces for the other set. You do not have to place stamps on top of the same pictures. Many time Scott has the wrong image on a space anyway.

For 1840-1940, you're better off using Scott Specialty pages and Steiner pages interchangeably with the International. The next 20 or so years you have to fiddle about with some countries, but most are all right the closer you get to around 1968 at which point almost all stamps are there from then on, except most souvenir sheets, of course. Use blank pages, specialty pages or Steiner pages for those. One can be innovative assembling stamps on a printed album page without making the page look like trash by slapping stamps all over the place on a page.

For the past 6 months, I have been converting my collection from Scott Specialty pages to International pages (where the pages permit this), using Steiner pages or blank Steiner pages with a header, or simply blank International pages as "transition" pages where necessary. I use the blank backside of International pages to mount souvenir sheets or minor varieties.

I have been doing this to recover shelf space. Thus far, I have three empty 5 inch green binders, which is about 1200 pages less than from when I started this project. I now have International pages up to 1981, and the space savings rate is going up. I estimate that on average the stamps from 3 Specialty pages go on 1 International page. That knocks out 2 pieces of paper for every 1 double sided International page. On some countries, the page savings are even higher, such as the US compared to the National pages where Scott places three or four stamps on a page.

Using Steiner pages for back-of-book stamps gets rid of tons of Specialty and International pages, and gets the "BOB" pages up-to-date where the International pages cover very little of these types of stamps outside of semi-postal and air mail stamps. I expect to empty a few more binders before I am completed through the year 1995. After that I am pretty much all International and Steiner pages.

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Michael, my Scott International DDR pages to cover 1960-62 has 8 regular pages and 4 semi postal pages...thats 3 years...not nearly enough to handle the stamps from the Harris album.

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"Although Chris is, in part, responsible for making "collecting to the BB album" an easier and more enjoyable task."




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"my Scott International DDR pages to cover 1960-62 has 8 regular pages and 4 semi postal pages...thats 3 years...not nearly enough to handle the stamps from the Harris album."



So, that's because the Harris pages cover more years than the 1960-1962 Scott International pages, right? Harris pages have very little blank space as the stamps are placed all over the page, giving it a poor presentation. You're making it sound like the Scott International pages omit a large number of stamps from the year group that the pages cover. That is not the case.
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When i compare the Scott Internationals to the Scott Specialized albums i believe they do omit quite a few stamps.

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Yes, that is true, mostly before 1965, but weren't you comparing the International with a Harris album?

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Its true that the albums i am referring to are pre 1970..the Harris seems to display so many more of the Eastern European Hungary, DDR,Poland sets than the big blue.

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It sure does baffle me why and how Scott decides not to include so many stamps. They say that they do not include the expensive stamps (in the 1840-1960 year range) that most collectors will never obtain. Yet, there is a huge number of omissions that are minimal/low valued stamps.

When I buy Scott, that's another thing I'm going to fix.

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Michael, also divulge how mnay sets of catalogs they print and distribute each year..even Putin does not know.

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LOL. I tried to get that out of Scott a few years ago. They are tight-lipped on that, except they told me that the number of sets printed is much less than it used to be. I suggested that they lower the price and see what happens. They said that was impossible. Negativity kills.

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I doubt they would lower the price. They would need to lower it a lot to get significantly more sales if that is possible. They are trying to maintain a revenue stream. The price is going up not down = page is going up each year.

If you look at the price of a digital version for say a Vol 1 (US A-B) it is $75 and assume that is for a year. You can buy the hardcopy for $100 direct from Scott plus shipping and have it forever. I wonder if the book costs $25 per copy to print. The net is value of their intellectual property, cost to maintain (staff), and profit.

The values do not change that much to warrant a new one every year and cannot be believe that many use it for new issues.

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Minkus does not have a space for it in the Master Global or Supreme Global albums.

The Minkus world wide catalog and the Minkus Russian catalog lists it as a souvenir sheet of four,Minkus cat # 1540 no mention of singles like Scott.

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For several years now, I've been working on a project to assemble a relatively "complete" set of worldwide volumes in alphabetical country order, rather than subdivided by years as with the Scott International. The set ends with 1999.

I'm doing this by interweaving pages from Scott International with Steiner pages copied onto paper cut to match the size, color, and weight of Scott International pages. It's currently 30 volumes in Scott International binders. When complete (if that ever happens), I'll have each country from its postal beginning through 1999 in alpha order.

As you can see from the photo, the match between the Steiner pages and the Scott pages isn't perfect, but it's close enough for my personal tastes.

Now my question.

As you can imagine, this is a massive undertaking. I've been working on it since about 2010 and am only finished through Chile.

I've been fairly lackadaisical about this project, working on it only occasionally when I feel inspired. But I've put my efforts into high gear recently, as I'm closing my office and semi-retiring as of the end of 2019 -- which means I will no longer have access to my expensive copier, which can handle specialty paper sizes.

This is very time-consuming, as it requires hand placement of the Steiner pages on the copier glass and hand feeding of the specially cut and punched paper. I spent three hours last night copying the Steiner pages for China onto Scott-size pages.

I am worried that I am not going to finish by the end of the year, no matter how much time I put into it. I think the cost of paying a print shop to copy Steiner pages onto Scott-size pages would be ruinous -- in my experience in the DC area, individually hand-placed copies cost at least 20 cents per page.

Does anyone have any idea of how I can get Steiner pages copied onto Scott-sized pages at a reasonable cost without doing it myself? There used to be a man from West Virginia on Steiner's page who offered to copy the pages, but the price was astronomical for what I wanted.

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"This is very time-consuming, as it requires hand placement of the Steiner pages on the copier glass and hand feeding of the specially cut and punched paper. I spent three hours last night copying the Steiner pages for China onto Scott-size pages."



With today's labor costs, 3 hours at $30 to $50 an hour would make this job cost between $90 to $150. I would guess that it would take more that the 3 hours for someone not familiar with placement of these originals and paper orientation.

Doing this ourselves results in a cost of $0 plus materials.

This is the main consideration when I replace a light switch instead of calling an electrician. Now plumbing is something else.

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Doug, since the 1970s I have been doing exactly what you are. I use the Scott Specialty, Scott International, Steiner, very few Minkus, and very few Scott National pages. I keep all the pages in Subway Scott-style #5 green binders.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the different page sizes and integrating them together to form a complete country. Right now I am in the process of replacing most Scott Specialty pages with Scott International, providing that the stamps are present on the International pages. I am doing this to reduce the number of one-sided pages in order to save/regain shelf space. This works best for 1950 onward.

I have recently bought a set of the old Scott Brown International albums. These are double sided, and the layout of the stamp spaces usually matches the Scott Specialty pages. I can use many of these double-sided pages to reduce the amount of album pages. Most of the pages are no useable as the second side often contains another country, or back-of-book items. No problem. I can get many more single-sided pages replaced this way too.

I am finishing up my first major run-through of my albums, and this process has emptied 5 green binders. That's alot of single-sided pages removed in order to save space. You'd be amazed how these pages fill up a large recycle bin. I will be making another A to Z run, and expect to empty at least two more binders as I finish going through the International pages that I bought (used International albums from sellers on Ebay).

For the late 20th and early 21st centuries, too many countries issue nothing but mini-sheets and souvenir sheets. Scott International does not include space on the pages for most of these. I use Steiner pages for this, but only print out the pages for the sheets when I obtain one, printing the entire year for the sheets, omitting the regular stamps, for the year that the sheet was issued. If I printed out all the pages just to have them ready, I don't think I would be able to house all the albums in my house! Heck, I'm not sure I could afford all the ink and paper either.

Right now, my collection fits in 86 binders. My pages cover up to 2016. If you count the now 5 empty binders, my collection was in 91 binders, which are larger and hold more pages than the current binders available. Unfortunately, Subway as discontinued the #5 binders. Good luck finding any in the after market. They are not easy to find, and they don't go cheaply either.

It has been fun doing this, as I have been rediscovering my collection, seeing many stamps that I hadn't seen in quite a long time.

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Michael, that's fascinating that you've been doing this so long. I am mostly printing two-sided, which saves a lot of space.

I'm also firm in my decision to stop in 1999, which saves a lot of space too. I also don't print pages that have only souvenir sheets on them.

The process is definitely fun, except for the actual copying of the pages, which is more like working in a factory again.

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Michael and Doug,thanks for sharing..we collect to please ourselves...but even a labor of love can get tiring !

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Doug,

What I have done in the past was to use an app to convert the Steiner PDF into a PowerPoint file. I have then designed a PowerPoint file that matches the borders of the Scott International pages (also have one that matches Scott Speciality pages). Then I can just use a printer to print off the pages. Now, you would need to buy a large-format printer in order to print the right size pages, but nowadays, I think you can get one for less than $200.

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I have been very happy with the performance of an HP OfficeJet Pro 7740 large format printer that can do up to 13x19 output through the manual feed tray and 11x17 through the regular trays. On good paper for inkjet printing it works quite well plus can do 11x17 scans. Paper choice and finish definitely makes a difference though.

So far I have not had any issues with inkjet versus laser printing in terms of ink running which used to be a problem with inkjet printers for me a long time ago. Given that the printer was about $200 versus almost $3,000 for an equivalent wide format laser printer I had to try it when I saw it on sale. Happy

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I have been continuing my efforts with mint stamps for the International albums for 1840-1963 (Parts 1A1-V). Just received four new jumbo binders with dust cases as the Part II through V albums were bulging to the point of becoming a problem in the existing regular binders. Plus received three new dust cases for the Part 1B2 album and two other binders used for a second International Part I collection which has both mint and used stamps which gets some occasional additions. Now working on adding clear interleaves to the Part II through V albums now that I have larger binders. It makes for a nice opportunity to review the albums' contents on a page by page basis. Happy


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Thanks for the album mentions. I managed to see one of the Senf albums several months ago that a stamp dealer at a show was using for his personal collection. It was magnificent with a clean layout and very attractive type for the lettering. The cover design was, also, attractive and the bronze latches to hold it closed were a very nice touch. The dealer has been adding content to it for several years now and says that if all of the original stamps in the album were real it would have about $2,000,000 in catalog value. I suspect that it could easily top $300,000 just based on what I saw in the album that I recognized. It really is a very nice album with a stamp collection that does it justice. I managed to buy a part two of that album which covers twentieth century stamps up to 1915 if I remember correctly. Mostly I bought it for the descriptive text for the countries which was interesting in itself.

I have been making some progress with the International 1840-1963 albums and just recently reached 20,073 stamps in the albums for 23.45% complete and am still working on inclusion of a backlog of purchases although the stack is now beginning to look like it might eventually get whittled down. I did note last Saturday that the bookcase shelf that the albums sit on is starting to bow from the weight so will have to do something about that soon.

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Worldwide..i should have quit 30 years ago...now its too late ! And i do not go beyond 1969 !

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Are there any non-USA generated world-wide albums for pre-1900 or pre-1970 dates with anything like similar comprehensiveness to the Scott International or Minkus Supreme Global albums? Ideally albums that are still available but I am also interested in any information others might have on older albums as well.

I've seen a few really old world wide albums dating before 1900 but none are still in print as best I can tell.

I know that Stanley Gibbons has made some British Commonwealth albums but these are British sphere only as best I can tell.

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AFAIK none of the European alternatives have not been printed in decades (except some Schaubek reprints).

But you might like to check the discussion at https://www.stampcollectingblog.com/qa-onfocus-stamp-storage.php?qa=14757 (for subscribers only, registration required) for some of the albums that existed.

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Thanks very much for the link to the thread on the stamp collecting site. It had some very useful information. It is always interesting hearing from Jim Jackson and Keijo as well. I checked out the Yvert web site and the Stanley Gibbons site last night and waded through the French language site trying to get the gist of things using my forty-five year old high school French which would have been quite comical to anyone who could listen in to my thoughts as I was trying to figure out what they were saying. It was an interesting class as I was the only boy and a ninth grader in a class with twenty tenth and eleventh grade girls. But, i digress...

I would love to see images of binders, title page, and some sample pages (with or without stamps) from any albums that anyone runs across posted to this thread that would present world wide stamp album options. I have Scott International, Minkus Supreme Global, Scott Grand Award, Minkus New World Wide, Stanley Gibbons Windsor country album, Scott Specialty France album, and used to have the Harris Standard two volume album and have seen a number of beginner world wide albums but would like to see less well known albums including beginner albums that have more attractive layouts than the typical Harris and other vendor first album offerings.

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I have had some old Schaubeks from the 1920s that were world wide in scope. But after the stamps were removed, the albums were trashed, as the paper was quite acidic. Surprise

I suspect the lack of present day WW albums from European sources is because of different storage habits: the popularity of using stock books or stock pages for one's stamps.

One can still find Country specific albums (Davo from the Netherlands comes to mind) from Europe, however. Cool

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I have identified only three possibilities so far:

1) Stanley Gibbons Ideal album which stopped publication some time ago and covered up to 1936 in two volumes with one covering British Commonwealth and the second covering the rest of the world.

2) Yvert and Tellier album which I can't tell from their web site whether it is still published although they do offer a "classic" time period world wide catalog. I saw one eBay offering for the catalog and saw some issues of its cover through Bing.

3) a Canadian offering of a series of world albums that look very similar to Harris albums with all stamps laid out linearly in rows across the album page with different versions up to five volumes. Noted that even the publisher suggests that for more comprehensive albums interested buyers should consider the Scott International.

For country specific albums several vendors seem to offer fairly large ranges of countries with album series available from Davo, Schaubek, Yvert and Tellier, Stanley Gibbons, Lighthouse, Safe, and, of course, the Scott Specialty albums with lots of older Minkus Specialized items frequently available through eBay and older collections. All of these turn into quite a bit more cost than even complete 49 volume sets of the Scott International albums but none really comes close to the number of countries represented in the International albums as best I can tell.

Steiner's site http://www.stampalbums.com/ offers print it yourself albums but they lack stamp pictures and catalog numbers and are definitely overwhelming with the classic 1840-1940 time frame occupying 6500 printed pages and leaving a painful amount of white space even on truly comprehensive world wide collections.

I am still interested in any examples of really attractive pre-printed albums similar to the Scott International series that might be still being produced or that were previously produced and seeing scans of the previously mentioned binder, title page, and some sample interior pages for the albums.

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The Scott International Albums are grossly abridged between 1840 and around 1950. The current Scott Internationals are actually what were known as the Scott International Junior Album. Older copies of this album will show that title.

If you want to get the true Scott International Album pages for that era, then you will need to get the Scott International Brown Albums that are produced by Vintage Reproductions (Subway Stamp Shop). The "Browns" are what became the Scott Specialty Album Series.

You can find old, used Scott Specialty Albums now and then to give you those pages, but not all. Steiner pages can be used to fill in the blanks.

Note also that not all countries with Scott listed stamps are included in the Scott Internationals. I typed out the list below. Note that some of the countries have pages up to a point, then nothing for the newer stamp issues, and some simply are not provided at all. I give you this list so that you can be aware of it. To get album pages, you will have to find other albums, or use Steiner pages. Personally I believe that with the price Scott charges for the International annual supplement, they should include the pages for all the Scott listed countries. I print out Steiner pages for them.

Cambodia
Cuba
Grenada Grenadines
Iran
Iraq
North Korea
Libya
Mongolia
Nicaragua
St. Vincent Grenadines (including Bequia; Canouan; Mayreau; Mustique; Union Island)
Turkish Cyprus
Sovereign Order of Malta
Viet Nam
Somalia

If you want to save paper, you can print the Steiner pages front and back on each piece of paper you print. I do this and have no problem even using mounts for every stamp placed on an album page.

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Thanks very much for the list of countries that are not being updated through the International albums currently. I am quite amazed at the number of well known countries that are currently being excluded from coverage.

I have been moving a Minkus Supreme Global album based collection covering 1840 to 1966 for most countries to the Scott International's in parts 1 through 5 and must say that I much prefer the aesthetics of the Scott albums but am definitely running into some issues with the exclusion of varieties from the Scott albums with nearly a thousand stamps in the A-H countries out of five thousand that I had being excluded! This collection is primarily of unused but hinged stamps while a second collection in an International Part 1 album is significantly more complete but contains a much higher representation of used stamps.

So far I have gradually shifted to not moving the unlisted stamps as it has proved too cumbersome to resolve during the migration. I suspect that I am going to end up getting rid of the non-Scott included items and simply collect to the albums rather than attempt to expand the coverage with additional pages as my entire collection will probably never reach any significant level of completeness for all available varieties for the time period on which I am currently working. Collecting to a reasonable degree of completeness for the 35,000 issues in the International Part 1 seems a lot more possible than collecting the 83,000 issues in the Vintage albums that Subway Stamps offers or the Steiner complete coverage option. It has been quite interesting that the album coverage itself has had a major impact on my collecting interests as I focus on the album covered varieties.

I did end up moving the majority of the uncovered Great Britain stamps to a standalone Windsor album as it was too painful to exclude them. Happy . I had bought the Windsor album for a few of its included items some time ago and this was my first time really working with the additional detailed coverage of the later issues and definitely found it to be an interesting exercise. I really like the additional details on the stamps being presented on the facing page but the inclusion of phosphor tagged stamps on the same page is awkward as you can't even see a difference with normal light on the page in the issues so they just look odd to be duplicated. Sad

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"Collecting to a reasonable degree of completeness for the the 35,000 issues in the International Part 1 seems a lot more possible than collecting the 99,000 issues in the Vintage albums"



The decision is yours, of course, but you'll have to remember that you'll be running across or even already have many of the 64,000 stamps not in the abridged International. You'll have to decide whether to ignore, make pages to add to the International or put them in another album/stock book, etc. I offer this as something to take into consideration.
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I very much appreciate the input! The discussions about collecting, storing, and presenting stamps and the examples from others on how and what they are collecting on the Stamporama site has been one of the main highlights for me of membership these past few months and have added greatly to my enjoyment of the hobby. The discussions have definitely stimulated me to "step up my game" in the pursuit as well. Blushing

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While not a "non-USA" WW album, I just wanted to mention Palo albums, which has the same coverage as Steiner pages, but in a "more professional" and larger format.


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Does Palo offer a world-wide album as compared to individual country albums? Checking their web site now as I was not aware of that. I only put non-USA as a criteria as I wasn't aware of any other makers of albums that were still operating in the USA that made a comprehensive world-wide album.

Checked their site. They do offer some Colony groupings as well as individual countries. Oddly they have a very interesting British Commonwealth album in Stanley Gibbons order available by monarch from Victoria through Elizabeth for 1840 through 1970 likely matching the Stamps of the World catalog. There does not seem to be a world-wide pages offering in Scott number sequence by period that would compare. Sad

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No they don't offer a worldwide album per se, the same way Steiner doesn't offer a worldwide album, but you could order the pages to put together a worldwide album (would cost a $$$). In fact Paul from Palo once said to me in an e-mail:


"... we have a customer who currently has a budget to spend $1000 per month on worldwide hingeless pages up to 1940. He’s been doing this for about 12 months now and he is on the letter “G”. So, I can imagine hingeless pages and binders may end up costing him about $30,000 total. Non-hingeless, I would guess to be about one-third of that."

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14 Oct 2017
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That was about what it looked like to me from the web site. Still looking to see what others might have seen. I am quite surprised to see so little in the way of options though.

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Yes, there's not much in terms of real worldwide albums...either Scott International, Minkus Supreme, or Steiner pages seem to be what most people are using.

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jbaxter,

Just wondering if you came to any conclusions regarding your worldwide album? Asking because I struggle with the same thing. I like the look and feel of the Scott Internationals and the knowing that completion is a realistic goal, but the "grossly abridged" - as Michael says - nature of it is frustrating Crying

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Chris,

I have a love-hate-love relationship with my Scott Internationals. I end up adding at least one blank page for each major country. In some cases it is three or four.

A thought... If I really had time, I would consider making "delta" ("difference") pages--homemade pages that when added to Big Blue give the same coverage as the Big Brown (or Big Green). I even thought to call those extra pages Big Orange (Blue + Orange = Brown) or Big Yellow (Blue + Yellow = Green).

For me, it all comes back to the ability to complete the collection, as you pointed out. So, again for me, the frustrating part is not the abridged nature, it is the many pages with single stamps. My Parts I-V now take up 7 binders, and I'm about to add an 8th. I might go straight to 9 just to be on the safe side!

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I gave up on the 'one size fits all' approach and found that collecting involves a number of methods when it comes to housing my collection(s).

I use everything from a Harris Senior Statesman w/properly sized and punched, blank supplement pages, to Steiner pages in matching 3-ring binders, to homemade pages designed using PowerPoint, Photoshop and a variety of other programs/apps and websites. Some collections are housed in sheet protectors, others hinged or mounted in the more traditional ways. I even have collections housed in Vario pages and a couple using Lindner stockbooks.

At one point I tried "collecting to the album", but it really bugged me having all those nice stamps, without spaces, stashed in glassine envelopes. I also tried sticking to a cut-off date of 1970, but again, there were just too many stamps that I liked post dating that cut-off.

So overall, I've found that adapting different ways, for different collections, works best for me and most are relatively inexpensive. Plus it's all flexible enough to carry on in any direction I decide to go.

I guess it's more of a 'go with the flow' method.


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For now, I am still working on the move to the International albums from the Minkus Supreme Global albums (and leaving stamps in the Minkus album for which there is no place in the Internationals while postponing what I may end up doing with them.). I continue to toy with the idea of a separate 1840-1899, i.e. 19th century collection using either the Vintage Brown pages from the Subway Stamp Shop or creating pages myself using Album Easy.

While I have an original brown Scott 19th Century album the binding is worn-out and the pages seem too fragile for punching for 3-hole binders and mounting stamps with mounts, at least for any MNH acquisitions that might occur. I am, also, concerned that there would simply be too many blank spots in Brown and/or Steiner pages.

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Made it up to Salvador with my album move project from the Minkus Supreme Global album set to Scott International Parts I-V (but not Va for 1964-66 as yet Sad ). I am being slowed down a bit as I keep making some acquisitions as I go, not really a lot of stamps although I did get a nice feeder Hungary collection and have been picking up quite a few France and/or French colonies stamps plus some British Commonwealth through the Stamporama approvals and auctions.

Plus got sidetracked into a standalone Great Britain collection for Queen Elizabeth II after watching "The Crown" and bought new pages from Amos Advantage for Great Britain 1840-1996 to which I have been adding clear Scott/Prinz mounts as I've decided to concentrate on unused stamps for that collection. Fortunately I had a spare, unused Scott Specialty binder for the pages. I believe I have about 90% of the stamps from 1953 through 1991 at this point. I got interested in the Machin issues as well and bought a small grouping to start which came mounted on the prettiest printed pages I have seen which are from Leuchtturm. Looks like I will need to find a good solution for verifying watermarks and phosphors which I haven't done before as I have only collected face different issues to date plus an appropriate binder for the Leuchtturm pages. Many of the QE2 stamps came from a collection in a stockbook with some Michel numbers as the only identification so matching the stamps to the Scott album spaces has been interesting. Happy

Also, picked up a large number of Japanese issues at a local stamp show which provided quite an addition to the 6 stamps for the entire period that I had previously in the International albums for Japan.

I continue to really appreciate the aesthetics of the International albums over the Supreme Global albums. I have counted the number of spaces in each of the International albums that I have and have come up with following tallies for each album: Part I - 34,411, Part II - 16,861, Part III - 14,039, Part IV - 8,621, and Part V - 11,662 for a grand total of 85,598 possible stamps through the album set. Note that my Part V album is the latest version which only covers through 1963 (a separate Part Va or 05A pages offering adds coverage through 1965). I anticipate having about 15% of all of the stamps in the albums once I complete the move and will likely have about 2,800 stamps that don't have spaces in the new albums based on my tallies to date. Quite a number of those are from some isolated countries where my pages went beyond the 1966 time period that the original albums covered or from some duplicates on blank pages in the albums.

Updated the tallies for the International album parts as I have found a couple of errors and some stamps that were se tenant pairs rather than individual stamps as I added stamps to the albums.

Updated the tallies again after finding a few additional miscounts.


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Spent a very enjoyable afternoon on Friday at a local stamps store about an hour away going through a "U Pick" International album from Abyssinia to Ethiopia picking out mint stamps at 10 cents each for the first book of my International albums. Found 152 stamps! On my album move project I have now made it through Somaliland Protectorate.

On Saturday went to another stamp store to pick up some 41mm clear mount strips for two nice larger format stamps from France and saw part of the largest stamp collection I have ever seen neatly organized down a row of tables. Over 200 like new Scott Specialty albums were present and the store owner says the collection had nearly 200 more albums as well. Spent a very enjoyable hour scanning through the albums which cover up to 2010 or so. While several albums are somewhat sparse or have duplicates of pages others were largely complete with some of the nicest copies of all different stamps I have ever seen all in one place. I was particularly impressed by Japan, Korea, Greece, France, Africa, and Great Britain with Machins plus some hand made albums that contained detailed, fly speck collections which were superbly written up with very nice handwritten notes.

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jbaxter,

Very nice! I always enjoy going through one of those "U Pick" albums, lots of fun.

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I've updated my tally for the International Part I - 34,415, Part II - 16,861, Part III - 14,039, Part IV - 8,621, and Part V - 11,662 albums for a total of 85,598 different spaces for the five album set after finding several spaces that were actually se-tenant pairs when I moved the appropriate stamps into place and later finding a few miscounts.

I've now completed the move through Sweden and managed to pick up a couple of countries which were out of order due to the order they were presented in the Supreme Global albums, Malaya - Singapore became Singapore and Timor which was under its parent country became Timor in the Part I - 1B2 album. I found the two countries because I found that I had skipped a section when counting stamps for which the new albums had no spaces and am now up to 3,587 stamps which lack a home in the new albums! With some recent acquisitions it still looks like I will break 15,000 unique stamps in the new albums for just over 17.5% complete. I think there are at least 400 stamps that will go into the Part Va pages once I locate a set as well.

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"I've updated my tally for the International Part I - 34,410, Part II - 16,857, Part III - 14,033, Part IV - 8,621, and Part V - 11,662 albums for a total of 85,553 "




At first, I thought is was the number of stamps you had...Nerd

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Ooh, that would be exciting!


And I am back to the drawing board on a Va set of pages as someone wanted it more than I did on my last eBay bid today. Sad Or had a better idea of its true value. Blushing

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Be careful about bidding on eBay for those sets of International pages without stamps. I have seen the bidding go above what these pages cost new! Also, some are selling the pages as Buy It Now, also without stamps, for more than what the pages cost new. A few of the album page sets that I have bought on eBay were incomplete, especially with USA missing. A nasty problem where I have seen that seller listing country page sets, which is where I suspect the missing pages were.

If the pages include stamps, you take a chance that the stamps are worth anything. From what I have seen, most of the album pages with stamps have been cherry picked.

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In the beginning i did not realize that when i purchased a Scott big blue album that i would be commited to collecting "their way" . I did it their way for many years,now i want the freedom of choice to collect what i like on plastic stock pages or Steiner pages.Hurry Up

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I think if you are going to collect worldwide, one logical way is to use Scott International albums as your "base" and then use blank/quadrille pages to supplement with any additional stamps you have. This allows space not only for extra stamps not in the album, but also for varieties, interesting postmarks, etc.

Of course, it's a pain to take the album apart every time you want to add a blank page. One option, which I think I will try, is to collect the "extra" stamps in a stock book until I have enough to make a full page (Scott quadrille page). Then just save these pages up in a folder throughout the year and then do "album maintenance" at the end/beginning of the year to add the pages.

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This sounds like a practical solution for expansion of an International to a fuller, more complete coverage solution. If your early 1840-1940 collection really gets going use of the Vintage Reproduction pages from Subway Stamp Shop would, also, be an alternative for that era as it would expand coverage by roughly 60,000+ stamps during that period. Or, alternatively, if only specific countries become of intense interest use of Scott Specialty pages for just those countries will actually fit in quite well.

It is really interesting and actually quite exciting that true completeness has been achieved for the 1840-1940 period in the International's by at least two current active collectors with a few others achieving 90% plus completeness in the last decade whereas only three to six known collections ever achieved this level at the all major varieties level and these involved the expenditure of, I believe, millions of dollars with even pre-1900 only collections requiring a million dollar plus expenditure when completed before 1920. Some of these collections are quite well documented with information on the collector and their acquisition process which make for entertaining reading.

Regardless the challenge is definitely present at the International as well as at the full major variety world wide level and provides and promotes a global perspective for stamps and their issuing bodies as well as the people they serve.

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"It is really interesting and actually quite exciting that true completeness has been achieved for the 1840-1940 period in the International's by at least two current active collectors with a few others achieving 90% plus completeness in the last decade"




I'm convinced that this is because many people who start out collecting worldwide using Scott International end up getting frustrated with its limited coverage and move on to either specializing or expanding into another storage system, such as Speciality pages, Steiner pages, stock books, or stock pages, etc..

So, it's not necessarily super difficult to complete a BigBlue, it's just not common for someone to stick with the album for their entire "collecting career" in order to complete it.

That's my hypothesis anyway...

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"So, it's not necessarily super difficult to complete a BigBlue, it's just not common for someone to stick with the album for their entire "collecting career" in order to complete it."



Although Chris is, in part, responsible for making "collecting to the BB album" an easier and more enjoyable task.

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-big-blue-checklist-is-completed.html

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When i look at the"holes" in my 9 Scott Internationals..it would be quite expensive to complete them stamp by stamp or set by set.Last week i picked up a Harris Statesman remainder album with pages and pages of D.D.R. and Poland...but when i try to find them in the 1960's big blues..there is no match !Crying

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Not sure what you me by "no match" on the Poland and DDR pages. I just moved stamps from Scott specialty pages for Poland to Scott Internationals for Poland (I did the same for DDR several months ago). I had no problem, Almost every stamp had a space. For the few missing a space, it was easy to place them on the pages. There is plenty of blank space on the International pages to do that neatly.

Now 1960's Romania is another issue where many stamps do not have spaces allocated for in the International pages.

If you use mounts, one thing you can do this to get many of the stamp sets together. If the album pages has spaces for three out of four stamps in a set, and all the stamps are of the same size, you can overlap the stamps on the images to make the extra stamp fit. You can't really tell that it was done.

If there is no blank space to add the extra stamp or two for a set, find a stamp set that has (using the example above) just three stamps of the same size. Move those stamps to that location (I keep to the same year for doing this), and then place the set of four on the spaces for the other set. You do not have to place stamps on top of the same pictures. Many time Scott has the wrong image on a space anyway.

For 1840-1940, you're better off using Scott Specialty pages and Steiner pages interchangeably with the International. The next 20 or so years you have to fiddle about with some countries, but most are all right the closer you get to around 1968 at which point almost all stamps are there from then on, except most souvenir sheets, of course. Use blank pages, specialty pages or Steiner pages for those. One can be innovative assembling stamps on a printed album page without making the page look like trash by slapping stamps all over the place on a page.

For the past 6 months, I have been converting my collection from Scott Specialty pages to International pages (where the pages permit this), using Steiner pages or blank Steiner pages with a header, or simply blank International pages as "transition" pages where necessary. I use the blank backside of International pages to mount souvenir sheets or minor varieties.

I have been doing this to recover shelf space. Thus far, I have three empty 5 inch green binders, which is about 1200 pages less than from when I started this project. I now have International pages up to 1981, and the space savings rate is going up. I estimate that on average the stamps from 3 Specialty pages go on 1 International page. That knocks out 2 pieces of paper for every 1 double sided International page. On some countries, the page savings are even higher, such as the US compared to the National pages where Scott places three or four stamps on a page.

Using Steiner pages for back-of-book stamps gets rid of tons of Specialty and International pages, and gets the "BOB" pages up-to-date where the International pages cover very little of these types of stamps outside of semi-postal and air mail stamps. I expect to empty a few more binders before I am completed through the year 1995. After that I am pretty much all International and Steiner pages.

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Michael, my Scott International DDR pages to cover 1960-62 has 8 regular pages and 4 semi postal pages...thats 3 years...not nearly enough to handle the stamps from the Harris album.

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"Although Chris is, in part, responsible for making "collecting to the BB album" an easier and more enjoyable task."




Thanks Jim, I'm glad that I could contribute something to the BigBlue community.
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"my Scott International DDR pages to cover 1960-62 has 8 regular pages and 4 semi postal pages...thats 3 years...not nearly enough to handle the stamps from the Harris album."



So, that's because the Harris pages cover more years than the 1960-1962 Scott International pages, right? Harris pages have very little blank space as the stamps are placed all over the page, giving it a poor presentation. You're making it sound like the Scott International pages omit a large number of stamps from the year group that the pages cover. That is not the case.
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When i compare the Scott Internationals to the Scott Specialized albums i believe they do omit quite a few stamps.

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Yes, that is true, mostly before 1965, but weren't you comparing the International with a Harris album?

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Its true that the albums i am referring to are pre 1970..the Harris seems to display so many more of the Eastern European Hungary, DDR,Poland sets than the big blue.

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It sure does baffle me why and how Scott decides not to include so many stamps. They say that they do not include the expensive stamps (in the 1840-1960 year range) that most collectors will never obtain. Yet, there is a huge number of omissions that are minimal/low valued stamps.

When I buy Scott, that's another thing I'm going to fix.

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Michael, also divulge how mnay sets of catalogs they print and distribute each year..even Putin does not know.

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LOL. I tried to get that out of Scott a few years ago. They are tight-lipped on that, except they told me that the number of sets printed is much less than it used to be. I suggested that they lower the price and see what happens. They said that was impossible. Negativity kills.

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I doubt they would lower the price. They would need to lower it a lot to get significantly more sales if that is possible. They are trying to maintain a revenue stream. The price is going up not down = page is going up each year.

If you look at the price of a digital version for say a Vol 1 (US A-B) it is $75 and assume that is for a year. You can buy the hardcopy for $100 direct from Scott plus shipping and have it forever. I wonder if the book costs $25 per copy to print. The net is value of their intellectual property, cost to maintain (staff), and profit.

The values do not change that much to warrant a new one every year and cannot be believe that many use it for new issues.

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i found this 1325d in the box lot i purchased last week..do not see a space for him in my 1949 pages..but i will make room.Image Not Found

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Minkus does not have a space for it in the Master Global or Supreme Global albums.

The Minkus world wide catalog and the Minkus Russian catalog lists it as a souvenir sheet of four,Minkus cat # 1540 no mention of singles like Scott.

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For several years now, I've been working on a project to assemble a relatively "complete" set of worldwide volumes in alphabetical country order, rather than subdivided by years as with the Scott International. The set ends with 1999.

I'm doing this by interweaving pages from Scott International with Steiner pages copied onto paper cut to match the size, color, and weight of Scott International pages. It's currently 30 volumes in Scott International binders. When complete (if that ever happens), I'll have each country from its postal beginning through 1999 in alpha order.

As you can see from the photo, the match between the Steiner pages and the Scott pages isn't perfect, but it's close enough for my personal tastes.

Now my question.

As you can imagine, this is a massive undertaking. I've been working on it since about 2010 and am only finished through Chile.

I've been fairly lackadaisical about this project, working on it only occasionally when I feel inspired. But I've put my efforts into high gear recently, as I'm closing my office and semi-retiring as of the end of 2019 -- which means I will no longer have access to my expensive copier, which can handle specialty paper sizes.

This is very time-consuming, as it requires hand placement of the Steiner pages on the copier glass and hand feeding of the specially cut and punched paper. I spent three hours last night copying the Steiner pages for China onto Scott-size pages.

I am worried that I am not going to finish by the end of the year, no matter how much time I put into it. I think the cost of paying a print shop to copy Steiner pages onto Scott-size pages would be ruinous -- in my experience in the DC area, individually hand-placed copies cost at least 20 cents per page.

Does anyone have any idea of how I can get Steiner pages copied onto Scott-sized pages at a reasonable cost without doing it myself? There used to be a man from West Virginia on Steiner's page who offered to copy the pages, but the price was astronomical for what I wanted.

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"This is very time-consuming, as it requires hand placement of the Steiner pages on the copier glass and hand feeding of the specially cut and punched paper. I spent three hours last night copying the Steiner pages for China onto Scott-size pages."



With today's labor costs, 3 hours at $30 to $50 an hour would make this job cost between $90 to $150. I would guess that it would take more that the 3 hours for someone not familiar with placement of these originals and paper orientation.

Doing this ourselves results in a cost of $0 plus materials.

This is the main consideration when I replace a light switch instead of calling an electrician. Now plumbing is something else.

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Doug, since the 1970s I have been doing exactly what you are. I use the Scott Specialty, Scott International, Steiner, very few Minkus, and very few Scott National pages. I keep all the pages in Subway Scott-style #5 green binders.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the different page sizes and integrating them together to form a complete country. Right now I am in the process of replacing most Scott Specialty pages with Scott International, providing that the stamps are present on the International pages. I am doing this to reduce the number of one-sided pages in order to save/regain shelf space. This works best for 1950 onward.

I have recently bought a set of the old Scott Brown International albums. These are double sided, and the layout of the stamp spaces usually matches the Scott Specialty pages. I can use many of these double-sided pages to reduce the amount of album pages. Most of the pages are no useable as the second side often contains another country, or back-of-book items. No problem. I can get many more single-sided pages replaced this way too.

I am finishing up my first major run-through of my albums, and this process has emptied 5 green binders. That's alot of single-sided pages removed in order to save space. You'd be amazed how these pages fill up a large recycle bin. I will be making another A to Z run, and expect to empty at least two more binders as I finish going through the International pages that I bought (used International albums from sellers on Ebay).

For the late 20th and early 21st centuries, too many countries issue nothing but mini-sheets and souvenir sheets. Scott International does not include space on the pages for most of these. I use Steiner pages for this, but only print out the pages for the sheets when I obtain one, printing the entire year for the sheets, omitting the regular stamps, for the year that the sheet was issued. If I printed out all the pages just to have them ready, I don't think I would be able to house all the albums in my house! Heck, I'm not sure I could afford all the ink and paper either.

Right now, my collection fits in 86 binders. My pages cover up to 2016. If you count the now 5 empty binders, my collection was in 91 binders, which are larger and hold more pages than the current binders available. Unfortunately, Subway as discontinued the #5 binders. Good luck finding any in the after market. They are not easy to find, and they don't go cheaply either.

It has been fun doing this, as I have been rediscovering my collection, seeing many stamps that I hadn't seen in quite a long time.

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Michael, that's fascinating that you've been doing this so long. I am mostly printing two-sided, which saves a lot of space.

I'm also firm in my decision to stop in 1999, which saves a lot of space too. I also don't print pages that have only souvenir sheets on them.

The process is definitely fun, except for the actual copying of the pages, which is more like working in a factory again.

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Michael and Doug,thanks for sharing..we collect to please ourselves...but even a labor of love can get tiring !

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Doug,

What I have done in the past was to use an app to convert the Steiner PDF into a PowerPoint file. I have then designed a PowerPoint file that matches the borders of the Scott International pages (also have one that matches Scott Speciality pages). Then I can just use a printer to print off the pages. Now, you would need to buy a large-format printer in order to print the right size pages, but nowadays, I think you can get one for less than $200.

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I have been very happy with the performance of an HP OfficeJet Pro 7740 large format printer that can do up to 13x19 output through the manual feed tray and 11x17 through the regular trays. On good paper for inkjet printing it works quite well plus can do 11x17 scans. Paper choice and finish definitely makes a difference though.

So far I have not had any issues with inkjet versus laser printing in terms of ink running which used to be a problem with inkjet printers for me a long time ago. Given that the printer was about $200 versus almost $3,000 for an equivalent wide format laser printer I had to try it when I saw it on sale. Happy

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I have been continuing my efforts with mint stamps for the International albums for 1840-1963 (Parts 1A1-V). Just received four new jumbo binders with dust cases as the Part II through V albums were bulging to the point of becoming a problem in the existing regular binders. Plus received three new dust cases for the Part 1B2 album and two other binders used for a second International Part I collection which has both mint and used stamps which gets some occasional additions. Now working on adding clear interleaves to the Part II through V albums now that I have larger binders. It makes for a nice opportunity to review the albums' contents on a page by page basis. Happy


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re: World Wide Albums?

Thanks for the album mentions. I managed to see one of the Senf albums several months ago that a stamp dealer at a show was using for his personal collection. It was magnificent with a clean layout and very attractive type for the lettering. The cover design was, also, attractive and the bronze latches to hold it closed were a very nice touch. The dealer has been adding content to it for several years now and says that if all of the original stamps in the album were real it would have about $2,000,000 in catalog value. I suspect that it could easily top $300,000 just based on what I saw in the album that I recognized. It really is a very nice album with a stamp collection that does it justice. I managed to buy a part two of that album which covers twentieth century stamps up to 1915 if I remember correctly. Mostly I bought it for the descriptive text for the countries which was interesting in itself.

I have been making some progress with the International 1840-1963 albums and just recently reached 20,073 stamps in the albums for 23.45% complete and am still working on inclusion of a backlog of purchases although the stack is now beginning to look like it might eventually get whittled down. I did note last Saturday that the bookcase shelf that the albums sit on is starting to bow from the weight so will have to do something about that soon.

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09 Apr 2020
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09 Apr 2020
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Worldwide..i should have quit 30 years ago...now its too late ! And i do not go beyond 1969 !

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