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http://www.zobbel.de/stamp/occ_01e.htm
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While there is a lot of variation, the majority of the double o/p are suspect in general.
A quick look at these stamps has me uncomfortable about the lettering size shape and alignment.
I don't have a double o/p, but this is my single o/p to compare the lettering.
I personally would not pay for it as a confirmed double o/p.
Here are my stamps for comparison:
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Interesting link Victor.
There is a real need for further studies of ALL overprints of stamps issued in the Middle East....Syria, Lebanon, Saudi arabia, Iran, Egypt, Sudan, Iraq, Palestine.. etc...
As one who specialized in Middle East stamps, as a general rule, I no longer trust ANY o/p on stamps of any significant catalog value, nor any of the inverted, double o/p etc... that seem to abound on ebay and elsewhere. I just don't buy them.
Furthermore, when I bring it to the attention of a seller (for stamps that are visibly fake), few sellers are ethical enough to remove the stamps, or post a disclosure on their listings. They often do not answer, or answer: I am not an expert, or I bought it from a dealer I trusted. I must say, that some have been most professional about removing the stamps.
I think that all ethical dealers should stamp in permanent ink the back or the front of the stamps with an identifying mark, when they know the stamps are fakes. See picture below:
Otherwise, they are self perpetuating a scam on buyers....!
Some sellers list high valued o/p weekly, and I suspect they themselves produce the fake o/p. I checked some of their purchases, and they seem to be buyers of some of the very same stamps, without the o/p.
Check Egypt 1926 Scott# 121-124. The o/p set catalogs (M/used) around $2000/$1000. The same stamps without o/p list at around $150/$30. Yet the same dealer lists them repeatedly almost weekly! Yet, in all my years of looking for stamps with certificates, I rarely if ever encounter them!
Beware of all dealers in the very same countries where these stamps are from...but also, alas, they travel to private individuals in other countries (Germany, US etc..) to give them a false sense of legitimacy, when they get listed! (check the name of the seller, as an additional clue...you can often tie them to one of the suspect countries) (yes, I know it is racial profiling..but it is a fact).
I have had good experience with foreign dealers in Germany, Holland, in particular. They have removed and destroyed counterfeits. If I ever bought one from them, they always refunded the money. My experience in the USA, on ebay in particular has been more than disappointing.
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Example of two counterfeit stamps..one with permanent marking (FALSO, on the LHS of the stamp), the other one without. The one without took an expert to identify it as counterfeit! Most dealer or expert markings are usually on the back of the stamp.
Both are fake o/p.
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rrr, I do not have any of these Palestine/TransJordan stamps. Not an area I collect but trying to help by finding websites that may assist in enquiries ( as the law might say).
The website I noted does seem to be fairly thorough in it's coverage, though I'm sure there must be others that concentrate more on the fakes.
Guess even the experts have nightmares over these.
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You could compare them to the examples on this page, but they do state there was a wide variation in overprints.
http://www.zobbel.de/stamp/occ_01e.htm
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re: Tranjordan are these the real deal??
While there is a lot of variation, the majority of the double o/p are suspect in general.
A quick look at these stamps has me uncomfortable about the lettering size shape and alignment.
I don't have a double o/p, but this is my single o/p to compare the lettering.
I personally would not pay for it as a confirmed double o/p.
Here are my stamps for comparison:
rrr
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re: Tranjordan are these the real deal??
Interesting link Victor.
There is a real need for further studies of ALL overprints of stamps issued in the Middle East....Syria, Lebanon, Saudi arabia, Iran, Egypt, Sudan, Iraq, Palestine.. etc...
As one who specialized in Middle East stamps, as a general rule, I no longer trust ANY o/p on stamps of any significant catalog value, nor any of the inverted, double o/p etc... that seem to abound on ebay and elsewhere. I just don't buy them.
Furthermore, when I bring it to the attention of a seller (for stamps that are visibly fake), few sellers are ethical enough to remove the stamps, or post a disclosure on their listings. They often do not answer, or answer: I am not an expert, or I bought it from a dealer I trusted. I must say, that some have been most professional about removing the stamps.
I think that all ethical dealers should stamp in permanent ink the back or the front of the stamps with an identifying mark, when they know the stamps are fakes. See picture below:
Otherwise, they are self perpetuating a scam on buyers....!
Some sellers list high valued o/p weekly, and I suspect they themselves produce the fake o/p. I checked some of their purchases, and they seem to be buyers of some of the very same stamps, without the o/p.
Check Egypt 1926 Scott# 121-124. The o/p set catalogs (M/used) around $2000/$1000. The same stamps without o/p list at around $150/$30. Yet the same dealer lists them repeatedly almost weekly! Yet, in all my years of looking for stamps with certificates, I rarely if ever encounter them!
Beware of all dealers in the very same countries where these stamps are from...but also, alas, they travel to private individuals in other countries (Germany, US etc..) to give them a false sense of legitimacy, when they get listed! (check the name of the seller, as an additional clue...you can often tie them to one of the suspect countries) (yes, I know it is racial profiling..but it is a fact).
I have had good experience with foreign dealers in Germany, Holland, in particular. They have removed and destroyed counterfeits. If I ever bought one from them, they always refunded the money. My experience in the USA, on ebay in particular has been more than disappointing.
rrr..
Example of two counterfeit stamps..one with permanent marking (FALSO, on the LHS of the stamp), the other one without. The one without took an expert to identify it as counterfeit! Most dealer or expert markings are usually on the back of the stamp.
Both are fake o/p.
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re: Tranjordan are these the real deal??
rrr, I do not have any of these Palestine/TransJordan stamps. Not an area I collect but trying to help by finding websites that may assist in enquiries ( as the law might say).
The website I noted does seem to be fairly thorough in it's coverage, though I'm sure there must be others that concentrate more on the fakes.
Guess even the experts have nightmares over these.
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