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Europe/Other : Hungarian Overprint

 

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seanpashby
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21 Sep 2017
02:27:32pm
Has anyone seen this overprint? It is on ebay and I have never seen this one. No mention in Scott or Michel.

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Sean
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Pogopossum

21 Sep 2017
08:33:56pm
re: Hungarian Overprint

It is listed in the Philatelia Hungarica 2014-2015 catalog (pg 108). My Hungarian is non-existent and the text is way too complicated for the simple language cross reference I have. Here's the listing, perhaps we have a member who can properly translate. ( Mod: If it is not OK to post sections of catalogs like these please delete - but I assume it is legitimate use.)

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21 Sep 2017
08:39:13pm
re: Hungarian Overprint

That's great! Thank you. A least now I know it is legitimate.

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Pogopossum

21 Sep 2017
08:52:20pm
re: Hungarian Overprint

The listings are in Forints not Euros, so don't get too excited on the values.

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22 Sep 2017
08:16:49am
re: Hungarian Overprint

at current exchange rates, 1 forint = $.004

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22 Sep 2017
12:08:51pm
re: Hungarian Overprint

These overprints are I think, for like a fiscal use, only for use on legal documents or other certificate, but not for postage. I'd have to check later to be sure.

If I'm not mistaken the table gives the year, the catalog number of the stamp used for overprinting for this purpose, the form the overprint takes (whether split or complete), and then two columns for the type of document it was used on (maybe these are "power of attorney" and some sort of certificate, ervenyes, - not sure).

Poor translation of top-level section and paragraph (above table).

Power of Attorney and Validation?
Overprinted Stamps (1950-1960)
These overprint stamps were only used for the release of a power of attorney or a certificate.
Without separate catalog number.

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22 Sep 2017
02:26:21pm
re: Hungarian Overprint

Okay I think these overprinted stamps are for postal authorization, when a person authorizes an agent to receive/retrieve postal items for them from the post office. I don't know how it worked, but maybe one half is the receipt.

Edit: I think I have translated enough (of another book) to understand how this worked, maybe. The person that wanted to designate an agent to pick up their post would fill out an Authorization form that was kept at the post office. There was a corresponding Authorization card that was given to the agent. When the agent collected the post they presented the card for validation. The "authorization" (Meghatalmazás) part of the stamp was fixed to the form and canceled. The "valid" part of the stamp (Érvényes) was affixed to the card and not canceled.

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seanpashby

21 Sep 2017
02:27:32pm

Has anyone seen this overprint? It is on ebay and I have never seen this one. No mention in Scott or Michel.

Thanks,
Sean
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Pogopossum

21 Sep 2017
08:33:56pm

re: Hungarian Overprint

It is listed in the Philatelia Hungarica 2014-2015 catalog (pg 108). My Hungarian is non-existent and the text is way too complicated for the simple language cross reference I have. Here's the listing, perhaps we have a member who can properly translate. ( Mod: If it is not OK to post sections of catalogs like these please delete - but I assume it is legitimate use.)

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Geoff

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seanpashby

21 Sep 2017
08:39:13pm

re: Hungarian Overprint

That's great! Thank you. A least now I know it is legitimate.

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Pogopossum

21 Sep 2017
08:52:20pm

re: Hungarian Overprint

The listings are in Forints not Euros, so don't get too excited on the values.

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amsd

Editor, Seal News; contributor, JuicyHeads
22 Sep 2017
08:16:49am

re: Hungarian Overprint

at current exchange rates, 1 forint = $.004

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"Save the USPS, buy stamps; save the hobby, use commemoratives"

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HungaryForStamps

22 Sep 2017
12:08:51pm

re: Hungarian Overprint

These overprints are I think, for like a fiscal use, only for use on legal documents or other certificate, but not for postage. I'd have to check later to be sure.

If I'm not mistaken the table gives the year, the catalog number of the stamp used for overprinting for this purpose, the form the overprint takes (whether split or complete), and then two columns for the type of document it was used on (maybe these are "power of attorney" and some sort of certificate, ervenyes, - not sure).

Poor translation of top-level section and paragraph (above table).

Power of Attorney and Validation?
Overprinted Stamps (1950-1960)
These overprint stamps were only used for the release of a power of attorney or a certificate.
Without separate catalog number.

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HungaryForStamps

22 Sep 2017
02:26:21pm

re: Hungarian Overprint

Okay I think these overprinted stamps are for postal authorization, when a person authorizes an agent to receive/retrieve postal items for them from the post office. I don't know how it worked, but maybe one half is the receipt.

Edit: I think I have translated enough (of another book) to understand how this worked, maybe. The person that wanted to designate an agent to pick up their post would fill out an Authorization form that was kept at the post office. There was a corresponding Authorization card that was given to the agent. When the agent collected the post they presented the card for validation. The "authorization" (Meghatalmazás) part of the stamp was fixed to the form and canceled. The "valid" part of the stamp (Érvényes) was affixed to the card and not canceled.

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