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Middle East/All : Iran stamps -need help

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BlueCollarWrench
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16 Sep 2017
12:33:23am
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In the market place we see this quite often-Paper types. I know that 'smooth brown' paper is a straight up forgery. Persiphilla book. What I am looking for a defined answer on the paper.

I have added a scan of one I am 99.9% sure is fake next to one that I'm not sure of-

Input from others on this is greatly needed. I sent M. Sadri this same scan and should get an answer by Monday-

Any help?
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16 Sep 2017
01:03:27am
re: Iran stamps -need help

had to get the book out and scan the page-

Any ways, as stated in the second paragraph, brownish smooth paper. Keep an eye on the BIG BLACK ARROW--Easy check, you don't have to measure anything. No space in the right angled line-FAKE!!

So looking for any help on this-thanks

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16 Sep 2017
02:00:12am
re: Iran stamps -need help

Either white or brownish paper, smooth with no gum are fake.

Both of two stamps are forgeries.

With best wishes and regards,

Mehrdad

Well there you go-got an answer at 11:00 at night from the expert--

Smooth paper is bad either in white or brown--

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16 Sep 2017
02:36:07am
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...and you see these forgeries (and many others from early Iran, listed all over the internet for sale at the genuine stamp price. This despite the warnings contained in the catalogs that most of the stamps from early Iran that are on the market today are forgeries.

Thanks for posting information on these and other Iranian stamps from this time period. I have some information about several of the various stamps, but not nearly enough considering the large number of stamps and overprints that have been forged. Heck even some forged stamps have forged overprints! This is providing me additional information that I have always wanted to know about.

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16 Sep 2017
10:09:34am
re: Iran stamps -need help

Now we're Learning. So would you buy any of these? (I got a bridge I'll sell 'ya)
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16 Sep 2017
10:23:21am
re: Iran stamps -need help

So where I am going with this and thanks for your input on forgeries, is, to sound corny:
Knowledge is power- you can empty you bank account filling up those spaces in your album(s)-or be the smart stamper(sic) and buy smart..

All these came from a very respected expert on revenues, my buddy Joe Ross, he's on Wiki, look him up-anyways- he offered me the Green binder collection for a GRAND!! Persia/Iran isn't his area-revenues are-A grand?? Oh heck no-not without certification or knowledge.

I thought these were nice and rare and worth a bunch a first glance-well after many hours--ZERO dollars-only ecucational---brown/white SMOOTH paper-
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16 Sep 2017
01:51:55pm

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re: Iran stamps -need help

Very interesting Lee. I have always wondered how to identify the fakes from the genuine, without getting a certificate...which seems like a waste of time given the preponderance of fakes.
Not sure when the fakes began to appear in large numbers, but as I work sporadically on my Iran collection, (many early stamps were inherited from my Dad who collected in the 1930s, so I assumed that his may have some genuine stamps), but I am not sure when the fakes flooded the market?
Every stamp I have added since, I have bought assuming that they were as a "counterfeit filler", never paying more than $1.
But I keep wondering how can I sort out what I have for a possible genuine stamp?
I understand that fakes amount to 95% or more of what is out there, so chances are that unless you buy with a certificate, or a lot of specialized knowledge and expertise, you will always be buying fakes on the internet. Any problems with fake certificates, to your knowledge?

This is all very interesting, as I will be able to go back to my collection with a more informed eye. Keep it coming! Great information.

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16 Sep 2017
02:12:43pm
re: Iran stamps -need help

This goes out to all members-

send me a picture of the stamp. Any Iran/Persia stamp you are wondering about. I am more than glad to help. It keeps the brain active and out hobby moving foreword. I spend hours looking, searching, scanning- I have even gotten into arguments with the APS, which I was a member but not anymore, because they offer FAKE stamps all the time! Knowledge is power. I must also say that I am far from an expert- I always send the hard ones to M. Sadri, Iran expert- that dude has it going on-

Why Iran? I am asked that all the time- In 1979 I was living in Iran with my parents. My father, RIP, was working over there. I started and stopped collecting. Now that I'm more smarter and have more time-why not?

I have offered many articles to this web site for info-please check them read them and respond-we all learn together-they are to be posted soon-please check.

And thank you for the nice comment-it helps.

And God bless the USA-

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16 Sep 2017
03:38:37pm
re: Iran stamps -need help

I had most of those stamps at one point, and used them as space fillers figuring better to have the space filled than not, and also considering that it might be impossible to obtain the genuine specimens. When I obtained Scott Specialty album pages for Iran, I did not put the forged stamps in the album. I can't find them either. They would either be in a box of unsorted junk, or given to the Holocaust Project some time ago.

Of course it's not hard to get these forged stamps. Many sell them in bulk lots. When sellers identify them as fakes, the cost is minimal.

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