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Richmond
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26 Aug 2017
08:40:57pm
Does anyone here collect GB Wildings and mount in Lighthouse pages?

I am trying to complete my Wildings (only a few to go) and I am really struggling with trying to match some of the later Lighthouse pages with Stanley Gibbons Cat No's and wondered if anyone provide assistance or perhaps link to me somewhere that could.

I am happy to send scans with my interpretations but this probably a long shot as I assume most on here use Scott.

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sheepshanks
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26 Aug 2017
09:52:22pm
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

Firstly no I do not mount on Lighthouse pages but on the basis that they are similar to the old Windsor pages here are scans of the SG order. They cover 6 pages but that may not be as many as your Lighthouse pages.
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Not sure if this helps or not.

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27 Aug 2017
12:55:56am
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

Sheepshanks

Thank you for this I'll give it a go see if helps me out

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27 Aug 2017
11:25:13am
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

It should help but it is incomplete. They only illustrate the Tudor watermark, there is the St Edward's Crown and the Multi-St Edwards crown sets.
Also most of the issues with sideways watermarks also exist with inverted watermarks and the sideways watermarks can be with top of the crown to the left as well as the right. Another thing I noticed right away is the 3d with graphite lines that they mention have misplaced lines, can have, left or right, two close together on either the right or left side and with three graphite lines. I think I have seven variations. That is because after the finished the experiment with graphite that had rolls of paper in stock that the printers used up without regard to the graphite line's alignment.

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27 Aug 2017
06:36:09pm
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

Of the 251 Wildings listed in the SG British Concise, around 166 are detailed in Lighthouse which is over and above the Windsor scans provided, the balance of 85 being imperfections.

I was struggling matching the album to the catalogue for these 166 and ensuring I had the stamps in the correct position within in the album. I was hoping someone had made that journey before me.

After the response I struggled for a few more hours and I believe I have nailed it at last.

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malcolm197
30 Aug 2017
07:30:25am
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

Note also that there are 3 types of phosphor band determined by the length of the afterglow after switching off the u/v lamp. The "official" colours of blue, green and violet I must confess I cannot distinguish, however they have afterglows of 5, 10 and at least 20 seconds respectively.

The problem with all printed albums is that once one reaches a certain level of specialisation ( inevitably different with each stamp or series) they are too limited in scope.

Being a Luddite, I am a blank-pages neatly written up ( though if you had seen my handwriting that is subjective ) type of traditional collector.

Malcolm

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30 Aug 2017
11:36:39pm
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" ... Being a Luddite ..."

I dissent. That is so "not-Luddite," going your own way and advancing into unknown territory, as a philatelic Don Quixote seeking windmill blades to joust with and slay.
Using an old fashioned printed album and ignoring anything that does not fit, that's the essence of Ludditry.

After playing with Norse Posthorns and Chinese Martyrs/Junks/Overprints/etc. for some time, the Wildings caught my eye and I began searching for all the varieties and usages. I doubt there is any way any printed album that perfectly fits the needs of someone who builds a specialized collection.
But if I am wrong, then we are both SGMLs. "(Serene Grand Masters of Ludditry.")

Then one day, I came upon the new modern British definitives. "How bare. How boring" I hoped that RM would reverse it's decision and create something Wilding style but I did gather the first group, the pre-decimals.
I assumed that I'd mount the plane-jane Machins and be done with the set.
And then I was swamped by history.
Perhaps we should create a special SGML handshake, or would our feeble hands just shaking as we walk by, be sufficient?

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malcolm197
31 Aug 2017
04:36:57pm
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

Perhaps "Luddite" was the wrong term.

When I was "nobbut a lad" and an aspiring junior collector with pretensions to becoming a "philatelist" - myself and my contemporaries ( there were some then !! ) pooh-poohed printed "junior" albums and thought that to be a grown-up collector you had to have a blank spring-back album, a mapping-pen and black draughtsman's ink! I have never progressed much beyond that, except that the mapping-pen has been replaced by the finest possible point black fibre tip and the album is now very much into the plural - most 4-ring, although there are still half a dozen or so springback.

Incidentally my original album from almost 60 years ago was only disposed of early this year when one of the springs finally snapped through metal fatigue. The contents were of course totally different. Unfortunately anno domini, and lack of writing practice means that my writing-up is not half as neat as it was in those far distant days, although it is now far more detailed and comprehensive.

Ooooh I've come over all nostalgic like !

Malcolm

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01 Sep 2017
12:02:27pm
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" ... my writing-up is not half as neat as it was in those far distant days, ..."

Me too. While I used to block print, or write correspondance with neat cursive letters, letters of some length, and occasionally get favorable comments about the script, those days are gone.
I can still, if I try hard, do a presentable job, but only for a few of my usually complex constructs. After that things deteriorate to the point of being barely recognizable.
C'est la vie.
At least I can write, even if I can't always read it.

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sheepshanks
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05 Sep 2017
10:17:34pm
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Ok so decided to work through a batch of a few hundred Wildings to ascertain which I was missing and came across this one. Inverted Tudor Crown but with the extra stop SG 517Wi? 25 GB pounds mint (Concise 2014) but no used value given. Nice addtion though.
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Now to find a swans head and the shamrock varieties, I should be so lucky.

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sheepshanks
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12 Sep 2017
08:33:19pm
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Richmond and perhaps Malcolm or Charlie, would you maybe put up some scans of your Wilding pages for us, I for one would like to see how they are arranged.
I have just printed off the Steiner pages (9) but as they follow the Scott catalogue obviously there are many more that are missing. Not accounting for the various booklet panes.
Guess I will have to add a number of blank pages to accommodate the flaws and varieties.

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13 Sep 2017
03:42:48pm
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

Will do so this weekend

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malcolm197
13 Sep 2017
04:04:39pm
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

I can't put up my pages as many of them have only got one or two stamps per page with gaps for the ones I am waiting for ( or are languishing in dozens of envelopes waiting to be sorted and identified). However the "bones" is as follows.

1) Face value order.

Within each value - watermark order.
Within each watermark - cream or white paper ( where appropriate ).
Within each paper watermark orientation - a) normal: b) inverted: c ) sideways: d) sideways inverted.

Followed by graphite, phosphor-graphite, then the three types of phosphor bands in order of issue.

Finally the regionals in the same format, but excluding Guernsey,Jersey and the Isle of Man as they appear in the respective independent albums as "forerunners".

Each section has any shade differences on the top line with flaws and flyspecks below.

Pre-decimal low-value Machins follow, and the album ends up with the pre-decimal Castles and High Value predecimal Machins.

That little lot fills the album nicely although at some time I am going to have to move the high values to a new album with Decimal High Values , Machin NVIs, Double Heads and postage dues and other "odds and sods". I will probably have to move the regionals into the front of the Decimal Regional album too.

This I think corresponds roughly with the Gibbons QE2 pre-decimal Specialised catalogue ( although I don't have a copy to refer to). When I am "doing" Wildings I visit the City reference library and annoy the assistant into delving into the cellar , as the catalogue is "too old" ( or too little asked for)to be on the shelves!

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cdj1122
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13 Sep 2017
07:26:36pm
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

As Malcolm wrote;
" .... Face value order.

Within each value - watermark order.
Within each watermark - cream or white paper ( where appropriate ).
Within each paper watermark orientation - a) normal: b) inverted: c ) sideways: d) sideways inverted.

Followed by graphite, phosphor-graphite, then the three types of phosphor bands in order of issue.

Finally the regionals in the same format, but excluding Guernsey,Jersey and the Isle of Man as they appear in the respective independent albums as "forerunners"....."


But we differ with my inclusion of Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man plus "Wales and Manmouthshire" added.
I had some Lighthouse blank pages decorated around the borders left over from the UK collection, 1840 to about the mid 1960s when the style changed so they were used for the Wildings.

The high values follow and just about all the overprints from the Persian Gulf or Morocco. Then there are pages of commercial overprints on similar weight blank pages. Then a postally used set of the Wildings with decimal values including the, "Wonky overprint."
Here and there are some souvenir sheetlets. Printing varieties are below, or next to the basic stamp where ever I felt they would best be.
There are also several pages of "SOTNs".
A few complete covers showing the appropriate, contemporary usage.

Now the Machins are on Vario Pages in different binders, "a la Deegam" style by value and color, although I do have plans to transfer them to un-decorated pages when ever I get the time. As long as there are new printings that seem to deserve insertion by color/value the "8s" black background pages work quite well although forty or so Vario pages in a fat album gets to be too heavy for convenience.

I guess I am a minimalist, writing up only what needs to be there to identify what is being looked at.

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sheepshanks
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14 Sep 2017
11:46:03am
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

Thanks Charlie and Malcolm for the explanation, I assume then that you are using blank or quadrille lined pages rather than pre-printed or perhaps creating your own.
Think I will stick with the Steiner ones for present with additional blank, headed, pages for the varieties and blocks, coils etc. Then maybe I'll play with the AlbumEasy program when I have decided on the layout that works best.
Could be that it all finishes up on Vario's.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
Vic

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malcolm197
20 Sep 2017
06:50:00am
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Yes Vic, blank quadrille pages in Senator medium spring-back albums ( or other albums of similar size).

My Wilding collection ( along with predecimal Machins) almost fills an album, but I have 4 completely full albums of Decimal Machins, one (overfull) album of Decimal regionals and one album containing some of the "odds and sods" mentioned above. There is also a 4-ring album containing Guernsey,Jersey and Isle of Man, with the Wildings and Machins being placed immediately before the Independent Post Office issues of each territory.

I am currently working on redistributing the various sections of my GB collections ( Commemoratives have already been moved into boxfiles) as some of the albums are somewhat overfull and are liable to damage the spines unless I do something about it - particularly since, as mentioned above I have several hundreds ( if not thousands ) stamp to examine, identify, process and mount ( which should occupy the remainder of my allotted span on this planet !)

Malcolm

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sheepshanks
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15 Oct 2017
10:57:28am
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Finally got around to soaking and sorting a lot of Wildings, so thought I would show the pages I ended up with. There are more that I have not gone through yet as well as all the unused that are partially sorted.
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In the next post I will show some more of the same but on Black vario pages but these were purchased as is.

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15 Oct 2017
11:08:50am
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OK so here are the same but on Varios, these were auction purchased as a lot, so no credit for me.
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I still have a number of coil and booklet Wildings that are on larger pages and too big for the scanner so they will have to wait for another day.
Has been fun sorting watermarks and trying to pick the cleanest examples to mount, some seem very elusive and the latter Phosphor ones noticeable by their absence among the hundreds that I have sorted but this was probably due to the age of the accumulations.
The watermarks on the thinner paper stamps seemed the hardest to identify.

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16 Oct 2017
03:33:27pm
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Very nice and neat, Victor, without extraneous repetitive information such as a page title to tell us that they are all Wildings from Great Britain again and again. As for the graphite lines, do you have any with three lines, if not, I have an extra to send you. But it is in a file and may take me a week to find it.
One thing that I had to decide was whether to add the decimal Wildings of the last few years to the Stirlings of the 1950-60s or to keep them in the Machin Decimal area.
My solution was the gather two canceled sets and put one in each area.
I also keep the overprinted Wildings from Tangiers or Morocco along with the Persian Gulf state overprints.
Do you have Gibbons specialized ? It has photos of many of the minor variants, things like a "Period" somewhere, or a difference in the leaves with an extra leaf, or whatever was printed by error. Definitely set the ones you went through aside until you can search for such interesting variants.
Good Luck.
Now you are ready to wrestle with the Machins.

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sheepshanks
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16 Oct 2017
04:26:51pm
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Thank you for the comments Charlie, the offer of a triple graphite lined one is greatly appreciated. If there is anything I can swap it for please ask, if I have a spare then it's yours.
No, do not have a specialized, but the concise lists a number of varieties such as the extra dot 1½d.that I have above and also the rabbits ears on the shamrock, extra dots and swans neck and d line on the ½d. These I have not found but have still a lot on and off paper, some of which I have searched.
I also have an accumulation of Machins which mostly mounted, again mint and used but too many pages to scan. Regionals in basic form are mostly complete but I have several large boxes of unsorted, unsoaked Machins from the late 80's. (probably 40-50 pounds weight)
I have the GB Machins separate to the regionals.
Never seems enough time to sort through all the bags and envelopes, but slowly getting through them, thank goodness Machins do not have watermarks.

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malcolm197
01 Nov 2017
06:34:02am
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You have done really well there.

The 11d is the key value, very difficult to obtain in decent used condition. Also the sideways and reversed watermark are more difficult used than mint. Booklets were bought by the thousand by dealers to be split for mint copies for resale while not many collectors could be bothered to soak thousands of stamps for the odd used copy.

The same incidentally applies to an even greater extent to Machins. Apart from a few strange people like Charlie and I,Machin collectors collect mint and hunt around post offices and Machin dealers to improve their collections. Idiots like us buy kiloware by the ton and boringly sift through it for years to find the odd new stamp.

However I "collect" stamps from correspondence, and to me, contentiously, a stamp which has not performed it's duty is a mere "label"

Malcolm

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Richmond
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01 Nov 2017
08:21:09am
re: Wildings & Lighthouse Album Pages

Here is a snip of the first 3 pages of the listing of Wildings I put together in my database using the GB Concise - along with Lighthouse pages - which I have copied into excel.

If you would like me to send you the whole excel file then please message me - if you would prefer I upload the rest of the images then please respond to this post. Filtering on the excel file will enable you to clearly see the Lighthouse arrangements for the Wildings

I did try and upload scans of my album pages to my computer for upload to the site but, am embarrassed to say, have struggled with the technology.

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