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kaptncoke

12 Aug 2017
02:12:33pm
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Looking to get some help in identifying these stamps. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated

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Dana

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12 Aug 2017
03:03:54pm
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Scott # 300

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12 Aug 2017
03:42:37pm
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US Scott# 300 1903 regular issue 1 cent postcard rate.

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kaptncoke

12 Aug 2017
04:24:17pm
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Is there any value in these? If so...ballpark range?

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12 Aug 2017
04:46:15pm
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USED .25 cents
On cover .30 cents

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michael78651

12 Aug 2017
06:02:53pm
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The catalog values were quoted. However, the stamps aren't worth that much.

The first two (from left to right) are grossly off-center, and have straight edges. Value maybe two cents.

The third one looks like it may have paper toning, or its just the shade from when the image was taken. It is well centered. The stamp is worth maybe 15 cents if it is not toned. If it is toned, it will be worthless.

Keep them all on the post cards. The cards are maybe worth 25 cents each. At least you would probably find them in the 25 cents bin at a show, unless the other side has something to make it a more valuable card.

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13 Aug 2017
12:09:26pm
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Michael is utterly correct; if there is ANY value to these stamps, it's via their presence on cover.

We have one member, mostly inactive at the moment, who collects 300 on cover.

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Tom in Exton, PA

13 Aug 2017
06:12:48pm
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"We have one member, mostly inactive at the moment, who collects 300 on cover. "



Inactive???? Hmmm?

To expand on what Michael said...
There are two different avenues to value on these cards.
First would be the value of the usage.. the one card on the right appears to have a clean hand cancel. The one on the left is a flag cancel. There are people who collect both areas. Plus, depending on where the cancel is from, there may be some value. For instance, on US Territories there is a premium. US Territories can include areas that are currently states. I'd pay for a nice "Indian Territory" cancel. I'd pay better than $20 for a clean cancel from Guam... very scarce.

Different postmarks and auxiliary markings... Railway post offices, ship cancels, US Offices in China, different markings like covers that were forwarded, with multiple postmarks, or rubber stampings like 'train late', 'postage due' etc.

Also there are post card collectors looking for different views, different manufacturers etc. I am not that well versed in this area.

State cancels - I collect New Jersey. While the statement that these cards would be found in a 50 cent box at a show, I regularly pay $1-5 each for nice appearing covers with towns I need for my collection. Find me a town that was in existence for less than 5 years, I'd go much more.

Note that the examples I gave are rare. But there are people collecting cancels, usage and states like I do. I find the price I pay is more for the time of the seller, who has taken the time to go through the sales process for that one piece. I respect that and will pay a few dollars in that direction.

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13 Aug 2017
07:46:00pm
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Well, its about time Tom/Ben!!!

Don't be so inactive!!

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13 Aug 2017
08:45:46pm
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The rumors of his demise were greatly exaggerated!

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14 Aug 2017
08:24:08am
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weren't talking about you, Tom; your collecting interests are broader, although not by much

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14 Aug 2017
09:07:30am
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Just to add a bit to the excellent responses of others, another thing to keep an eye out for is what is referred to as Dead Post Offices. That is, postmarks from post offices that are no longer in service. These can bring a premium, depending on how long the post office was open and how many people used the post office.

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kaptncoke

14 Aug 2017
03:19:41pm
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I love all the feedback and interesting posts! I really appreciate all the responses. Is there a list of DPO's that can easily be referenced?

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The best free reference is Jim Fortes searchable listing of US post offices by state and county. Read through the instructions, as you can search by strings (partial) which is very useful if you are dealing with part of a cancel.

http://www.postalhistory.com/Post_Offices/index.htm

For scarcity ratings you need to aquire Helboccks US Post Offices volumes 1 through 8 - usually available on Ebay. They have scarcity ratings and excellent advice on how to interpret them (for example - there are many counties around the country with no active collectors - a very scarce (under 5 known) cover from those counties is only worth something if you can find a buyer.)

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13 Sep 2017
06:10:58pm
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afternoon,

Keep an eye out for those Scott#300 that only have perf's on the top and bottom=$$$

Or just on the sides=$$$ has to be both sides not just one side. When you find one of those on a postcard/letter=$$$.

I always check for them, perf top/bottom or just on the sides-

Scott# 316-perf 12 horizontally, 2014 CV $115,000.00
Scott# 318-perf 12 Vertically, 2014 cv $4,500.00

now those would be fun to find at a garage sale!!

nice pic's

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13 Sep 2017
08:46:51pm
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While finding either 316 or 318 is like the odds of winning the lottery its still fun to keep looking.

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kaptncoke

12 Aug 2017
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Looking to get some help in identifying these stamps. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated

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Dana

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pedroguy

12 Aug 2017
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Scott # 300

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12 Aug 2017
03:42:37pm

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US Scott# 300 1903 regular issue 1 cent postcard rate.

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kaptncoke

12 Aug 2017
04:24:17pm

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Is there any value in these? If so...ballpark range?

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pedroguy

12 Aug 2017
04:46:15pm

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USED .25 cents
On cover .30 cents

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michael78651

12 Aug 2017
06:02:53pm

re: Needing help: 1 cent Franklins

The catalog values were quoted. However, the stamps aren't worth that much.

The first two (from left to right) are grossly off-center, and have straight edges. Value maybe two cents.

The third one looks like it may have paper toning, or its just the shade from when the image was taken. It is well centered. The stamp is worth maybe 15 cents if it is not toned. If it is toned, it will be worthless.

Keep them all on the post cards. The cards are maybe worth 25 cents each. At least you would probably find them in the 25 cents bin at a show, unless the other side has something to make it a more valuable card.

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13 Aug 2017
12:09:26pm

re: Needing help: 1 cent Franklins

Michael is utterly correct; if there is ANY value to these stamps, it's via their presence on cover.

We have one member, mostly inactive at the moment, who collects 300 on cover.

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Tom in Exton, PA
13 Aug 2017
06:12:48pm

re: Needing help: 1 cent Franklins

"We have one member, mostly inactive at the moment, who collects 300 on cover. "



Inactive???? Hmmm?

To expand on what Michael said...
There are two different avenues to value on these cards.
First would be the value of the usage.. the one card on the right appears to have a clean hand cancel. The one on the left is a flag cancel. There are people who collect both areas. Plus, depending on where the cancel is from, there may be some value. For instance, on US Territories there is a premium. US Territories can include areas that are currently states. I'd pay for a nice "Indian Territory" cancel. I'd pay better than $20 for a clean cancel from Guam... very scarce.

Different postmarks and auxiliary markings... Railway post offices, ship cancels, US Offices in China, different markings like covers that were forwarded, with multiple postmarks, or rubber stampings like 'train late', 'postage due' etc.

Also there are post card collectors looking for different views, different manufacturers etc. I am not that well versed in this area.

State cancels - I collect New Jersey. While the statement that these cards would be found in a 50 cent box at a show, I regularly pay $1-5 each for nice appearing covers with towns I need for my collection. Find me a town that was in existence for less than 5 years, I'd go much more.

Note that the examples I gave are rare. But there are people collecting cancels, usage and states like I do. I find the price I pay is more for the time of the seller, who has taken the time to go through the sales process for that one piece. I respect that and will pay a few dollars in that direction.

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13 Aug 2017
07:46:00pm

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Well, its about time Tom/Ben!!!

Don't be so inactive!!

Laughing

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13 Aug 2017
08:45:46pm

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The rumors of his demise were greatly exaggerated!

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14 Aug 2017
08:24:08am

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weren't talking about you, Tom; your collecting interests are broader, although not by much

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smauggie

14 Aug 2017
09:07:30am

re: Needing help: 1 cent Franklins

Just to add a bit to the excellent responses of others, another thing to keep an eye out for is what is referred to as Dead Post Offices. That is, postmarks from post offices that are no longer in service. These can bring a premium, depending on how long the post office was open and how many people used the post office.

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kaptncoke

14 Aug 2017
03:19:41pm

re: Needing help: 1 cent Franklins

I love all the feedback and interesting posts! I really appreciate all the responses. Is there a list of DPO's that can easily be referenced?

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14 Aug 2017
03:49:12pm

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re: Needing help: 1 cent Franklins

The best free reference is Jim Fortes searchable listing of US post offices by state and county. Read through the instructions, as you can search by strings (partial) which is very useful if you are dealing with part of a cancel.

http://www.postalhistory.com/Post_Offices/index.htm

For scarcity ratings you need to aquire Helboccks US Post Offices volumes 1 through 8 - usually available on Ebay. They have scarcity ratings and excellent advice on how to interpret them (for example - there are many counties around the country with no active collectors - a very scarce (under 5 known) cover from those counties is only worth something if you can find a buyer.)

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06:10:58pm

re: Needing help: 1 cent Franklins

afternoon,

Keep an eye out for those Scott#300 that only have perf's on the top and bottom=$$$

Or just on the sides=$$$ has to be both sides not just one side. When you find one of those on a postcard/letter=$$$.

I always check for them, perf top/bottom or just on the sides-

Scott# 316-perf 12 horizontally, 2014 CV $115,000.00
Scott# 318-perf 12 Vertically, 2014 cv $4,500.00

now those would be fun to find at a garage sale!!

nice pic's

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13 Sep 2017
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re: Needing help: 1 cent Franklins

While finding either 316 or 318 is like the odds of winning the lottery its still fun to keep looking.

Jeremy

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