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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
06:47:58pm
This may be a silly question. I can never find value marks for the Danube steamship stamps. I have several. Most are forgeries. However I have a few prospects for originals that are in plurable shape. However, this one is in fantastic shape..almost like a forgery. It is 9.5 perfs nearly exact all sides..I have made sure it wasn't 10 perf over and over...so, could this be a reprint? It is very fresh. Also..does anyone have a list of values for these stamps, used and unused? Thank you.Image Not Found

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08 Aug 2017
07:02:50pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

The Serrane Guide covers this issue, but not in-depth.

Reprints were only made of the 10 soldo.

The best way to tell if the 17 soldo stamp is a forgery is to measure the horizontal bar of the numeral "7". Forgery = 1 3/4 mm Genuine = 1 1/2 mm. Also the forgery will have stippling to the right of the double "ff" of DAMPFSCHIFFAHRT. It appears that your copy has that, and so it may be a forgery.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
07:06:59pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Wow..thank you..you know so much. I think you answered all my posts so far. What is stippling?. I am going to measure the 7 right now.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
07:14:12pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Yep..forgery..close to 2 mm actually. Wow..I am curious about the others now..even though horrible condition.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
07:35:16pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

What about the other denominations? My plurable ones. What are signs of forgery aside from perfs? Thanks.

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08 Aug 2017
07:54:34pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Post a picture so I can see them to make sure what you're talking about.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
12:04:06am
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Hi Michael..as requested..these all have 9.5 perforations. Maybe the left two are genuine, top and bottom?..but I can't be sure. Thank you.Image Not Found

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09 Aug 2017
01:24:10am
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

There are two easy ways to tell if genuine or forgery:

- dot after the numeral "10" is closer to the burelage than to the zero

- the zero of the numeral "10" is too high (forgery = 3mm; genuine = 2 1/2mm)

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
09:30:20am
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Thank you for that info. Well..it seems they are all measuring 2.75mm exactly..hmm..that makes this more challenging..looking at the green one with just my eyes the illusion is its bigger but that was same measurement.

Note: I remeasured them. They are looking closer to 2.5 but I can't be for sure. Are they worth anything anyways if they are genuine? Thank you.

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09 Aug 2017
10:00:33am
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

With the dot on all four sitting close to the burelage, I would suspect all of them.

The originals also have secret marks where the forgeries do not. I don't have a good description for the secret marks, however.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
10:28:49am
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Ok..I see what u mean..it seems he first left two dot is in center..the 2nd right two it's almost touching..so in otherwords, the right two are definate forgeries.

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09 Aug 2017
11:30:25am
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

I would say that the only one that has a chance at being genuine is the one at the upper left. The other three all look to be from the same printing. You will have to get the secret marks verified on the other one to make sure.

If you can upload a larger image of the first stamp, I can take a closer look, but like I said, the description I have on the secret marks is difficult to understand.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
01:02:53pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Hi! Thank you..here you go. I also loaded closer pics of the handstamps in my other forum.This is so great you are helping me. Thank you..Happy.Image Not Found

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09 Aug 2017
03:25:50pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

I think this one is genuine.

The secret marks that I saw are located above the "DO" of DONAU.

- the third and fourth lines are connected (see short vertical line between the two

- the fifth line if broken

Of course the stamp is in pretty bad shape, so any value will be greatly diminished. However, it's always nice to find a genuine copy of a stamp where forgeries are probably more prevalent than genuine.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
04:03:38pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Oh wow..your good at this..thank you. So let me ask you this then..if it was in better condition, is value 100.00 range? More less? Thank you.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
04:11:18pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Aww..so your going to probably laugh at me..but don't even ask me how I managed to take a pic with my magnifier over the stamp..lol..but do you see a secret mark on this one?..thank you.Image Not Found

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09 Aug 2017
05:22:32pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Yes, I secret marks.

I don't have a clue what the value of the stamp is.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
06:16:30pm
re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Thank you for all your help..truly..Happy.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
06:47:58pm

This may be a silly question. I can never find value marks for the Danube steamship stamps. I have several. Most are forgeries. However I have a few prospects for originals that are in plurable shape. However, this one is in fantastic shape..almost like a forgery. It is 9.5 perfs nearly exact all sides..I have made sure it wasn't 10 perf over and over...so, could this be a reprint? It is very fresh. Also..does anyone have a list of values for these stamps, used and unused? Thank you.Image Not Found

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08 Aug 2017
07:02:50pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

The Serrane Guide covers this issue, but not in-depth.

Reprints were only made of the 10 soldo.

The best way to tell if the 17 soldo stamp is a forgery is to measure the horizontal bar of the numeral "7". Forgery = 1 3/4 mm Genuine = 1 1/2 mm. Also the forgery will have stippling to the right of the double "ff" of DAMPFSCHIFFAHRT. It appears that your copy has that, and so it may be a forgery.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
07:06:59pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Wow..thank you..you know so much. I think you answered all my posts so far. What is stippling?. I am going to measure the 7 right now.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
07:14:12pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Yep..forgery..close to 2 mm actually. Wow..I am curious about the others now..even though horrible condition.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
07:35:16pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

What about the other denominations? My plurable ones. What are signs of forgery aside from perfs? Thanks.

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michael78651

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08 Aug 2017
07:54:34pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Post a picture so I can see them to make sure what you're talking about.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
12:04:06am

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Hi Michael..as requested..these all have 9.5 perforations. Maybe the left two are genuine, top and bottom?..but I can't be sure. Thank you.Image Not Found

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09 Aug 2017
01:24:10am

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

There are two easy ways to tell if genuine or forgery:

- dot after the numeral "10" is closer to the burelage than to the zero

- the zero of the numeral "10" is too high (forgery = 3mm; genuine = 2 1/2mm)

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"Author: Seasons of Fantasies and Dreams, The Whitechapel Fog"

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
09:30:20am

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Thank you for that info. Well..it seems they are all measuring 2.75mm exactly..hmm..that makes this more challenging..looking at the green one with just my eyes the illusion is its bigger but that was same measurement.

Note: I remeasured them. They are looking closer to 2.5 but I can't be for sure. Are they worth anything anyways if they are genuine? Thank you.

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michael78651

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09 Aug 2017
10:00:33am

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

With the dot on all four sitting close to the burelage, I would suspect all of them.

The originals also have secret marks where the forgeries do not. I don't have a good description for the secret marks, however.

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"Author: Seasons of Fantasies and Dreams, The Whitechapel Fog"

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
10:28:49am

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Ok..I see what u mean..it seems he first left two dot is in center..the 2nd right two it's almost touching..so in otherwords, the right two are definate forgeries.

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michael78651

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09 Aug 2017
11:30:25am

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

I would say that the only one that has a chance at being genuine is the one at the upper left. The other three all look to be from the same printing. You will have to get the secret marks verified on the other one to make sure.

If you can upload a larger image of the first stamp, I can take a closer look, but like I said, the description I have on the secret marks is difficult to understand.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
01:02:53pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Hi! Thank you..here you go. I also loaded closer pics of the handstamps in my other forum.This is so great you are helping me. Thank you..Happy.Image Not Found

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michael78651

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09 Aug 2017
03:25:50pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

I think this one is genuine.

The secret marks that I saw are located above the "DO" of DONAU.

- the third and fourth lines are connected (see short vertical line between the two

- the fifth line if broken

Of course the stamp is in pretty bad shape, so any value will be greatly diminished. However, it's always nice to find a genuine copy of a stamp where forgeries are probably more prevalent than genuine.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
04:03:38pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Oh wow..your good at this..thank you. So let me ask you this then..if it was in better condition, is value 100.00 range? More less? Thank you.

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
04:11:18pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Aww..so your going to probably laugh at me..but don't even ask me how I managed to take a pic with my magnifier over the stamp..lol..but do you see a secret mark on this one?..thank you.Image Not Found

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michael78651

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09 Aug 2017
05:22:32pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Yes, I secret marks.

I don't have a clue what the value of the stamp is.

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"Author: Seasons of Fantasies and Dreams, The Whitechapel Fog"

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
06:16:30pm

re: Austria - Danube Steamship Stamps

Thank you for all your help..truly..Happy.

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