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http://www.kgvistamps.com/articles/SouthAfrica-KGV-Album/SA-KGV-Album.html
http://www.kgvistamps.com/articles/SouthAfrica-KGVI-Album/SA-KGVI-Album.html
But they don't seem to get me over the "hump" on several of the stamps.
I do not have these two books:
Stamps of British South Africa 1890-1980 by Landau
South African colour catalogue 2017/18 edition (published in South Africa) - not cheap
Would either of these two books provide thorough help identifying such stamps, including the various color variations better than the catalogs and web sites I listed?
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Hi Michael,
I have found this site to be particularly helpful for identifying the various pictorial definitive printings:
http://www.southafricacollector.com/Identifying_South_Africa_Union_Definitives.htm
I have both the 2004/2005 and 2010/2011 editions of the South African Colour Catalogue. There seems to be no difference between them (other than prices) in the sections of the catalogue devoted to the Union of South Africa, so it will probably be cheaper to look out for one of the older editions on eBay.
That being said, although it is an excellent catalogue for the Southern African countries it covers, I don't feel that it offers much advantage over Gibbons as an aid to discerning between the pictorial definitive printings.
I am not familiar with "Stamps of British South Africa 1890-1980", but British South Africa generally refers to Rhodesia.
Clive
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Clive, thank you very much. The link provides what I was looking for and more. I'll take those stamps out of the drawer again. I think I won't get as big a headache this time!
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Clive,
Many, many thanks for the link.
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A few years back I purchased the very detailed "A Collectors Guide to the Pictorial Definitives of the Union of South Africa 1926-54" self published by Steven Baker.
I didn't mention it previously because I was no longer sure whether it was still available and at around US$50 it was not too cheap.
I have subsequently contacted Steven, and not only has he released an updated second edition of his guide, but he now distributes it at a much more affordable US$15 as a PDF.
I can't of course post his email address in a public forum, but would be happy to pass on his contact information via the private message system.
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There is/was a tutorial on Stampboards specifically to identify the multiplicity of issues of these. However in view of the "photobucket" issues I am not sure whether this is still current.
They have an army of temporary moderators currently transferring all the images from Photobucket to Imgur - however with many thousands of images it may not all happen before Photobucket goes under - as many people expect it to. Some of these moderators are trying to prioritise which threads are the most important - and these tutorials must be favourite. However some of them are very long with hundreds of images, and some of the people involved are sticking to the "simple" ones due to actual or perceived skill shortage.
When I get a minute I will check up and see if it has been processeed and come back with the link or at least a reference.
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I have just checked on the Stampboards site and regrettably this thread has not yet been refreshed.
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Try www.rjbw.net/SA1926-54
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"...They have an army of temporary moderators currently transferring all the images from Photobucket to Imgur ..."
I am confused. What prevents Imgur from changing their terms and conditions in the future like Photobucket did? Companies get sold, transferred, change, or simply close all the time. Imgur is just like Photobucket, as the number of images they host goes up so does their costs. And Imgur appears to be on a very similar path as Photobucket; they first introduced display ads (May 2009) and then moved to sponsored images and ads (2013).
Any forum/blog/website which allows 3rd party image links is taking a large risk and putting their archive in the hands of other parties. If any forum/blog/website wants to be in control of their own destiny, they would eliminate any 3rd party dependencies. Failing to do so means they might want to keep that army of helpers on hand for 'round two'.
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Third party images have been an ongoing problem for forums for quite a while now. If an image is deleted on a third party site by the owner of the image, then it is also deleted from the forum site as well. Going back through old threads you'll find several that have "image not available". This is mostly caused by the deletion of images from third party sites.
I belong to a handful of unrelated forums and I believe all have stopped allowing third party images. It can virtually destroy the integrity of an otherwise valuable source of information.
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Hi Everyone;
@ malcolm197;
Can you or someone else on SOR, who is also a member of Stampboards, contact their site and offer some of our members with great computer skills to help them to preserve this priceless information.
I would love to be involved, however my computer is a WIN/98 and all my browsers are too out of date to be able to do this sort of project. They barely function at all at this time, and I need to buy a newer used machine.
Just thinkin' again....
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Hi Tusken,
Back in 2014 I was working on my South Africa stamps, and having trouble with all the varieties. Since at that time I was often in locations without internet access, I copied one or more of those threads to a word file on my computer.
After seeing your post above, I thought I'd mention that, in case anyone would like a copy of my copy.
So far, I have found a file on the 1/2p springbok, which is replete with fairly high def pictures.
I'm open to suggestions on if or how to proceed any further on this issue, and in the meantime will continue searching my computer for more related data.
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Hi Everyone;
Great idea Benque.
Back when I used to sell lots of jewellery on the web, I used to download, lots of webpages, about how-to's on various types of metal and wire fabrication.
Here is the steps used to download a "Web Page Complete"
Using Internet Explorer V6.0.2800.1106
steps to save a complete webpage using Internet Explorer:
File > Save As... > Web Page, complete (*.htm, *.html)
Using Mozilla Firefox V2.0.0.11
steps to save a complete webpage using Firefox:
File > Save Page As... Ctrl + S > Web Page, complete
In both the above steps, in the File name text window, edit this with a name that will make sense later. File in a folder under a title that will make location easy when this info in needed for reference.
When these pages are downloaded as "Web page Complete", they look just like you were viewing them on line. However there may be copyright issues. It would probably be easy to get granted permission to do this, as long as you have no intention of using them for anything other than your own personal non-public use. You could show stamp club members how to download, but distributing copies to members would cross that line, I think.
Also when you attempt to open them, off-line, your computer may attempt to log on to the internet, and you can just cancel this. If you are on-line, the computer may try to connect to a non-existent website.
The web page will actually be downloaded into a folder that contains, .jpg image files, style sheet files .css, and any other supporting files needed to display the page as seen on the web. Be careful about moving this folder after you have named it because some of the data in the folder will look for the path that was originally assigned at the time of download, and moving it will break this path link, I believe. There is a simple fix for this, but I can't remember how it is done.
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Google chrome:Top right(3 dots)click;More tools;save as...
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"...The web page will actually be downloaded into a folder that contains, .jpg image files, style sheet files .css, and any other supporting files needed to display the page as seen on the web..."
This is only true with website that were designed in years past; with modern web design this is no longer true. Additionally, many modern web sites now rely upon 'server-side' programming. In the past a simple web site works with 'Client-side' processing...
1. browser requests web page
2. server sends the code files
3. browser processes the code files and displays the web page
But with server side processing it works like this...
1. browser requests web page
2. server reads the code files and generates the web page on the server
3. server then sends the generated page to browser
4. browser displays the page
This allows developers to write web pages without 'giving away the farm' and protect what they develop.
So if you are going to use the 'Save As' method described above you should test it carefully and make sure you are actually getting a readable copy of the page.
Don
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Hi Everyone;
Thanks for that info Don, I was not aware of that. It was many years ago that I was able to download that way. I will try that out when I download pages the next time.
Do you think most forums have the resources to program that way? I would think that most of them operate on a very limited budget?
Just loafin'....
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Hi Ken,
Most forums use a SQL database foundation, the posts are stored in a database and when a browser asks for a page it fetches the content from the database and generates the page with it. Some browsers might be able to ‘save as’ a single page but no browsers can request data from the database. In some cases you can do a ‘Print to PDF’ and this also saves a snap shot of a single page. If a person is just saving a simple page or two this is fine.
Don
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01:03:20am
I get quite a headache trying to discern the South African pictorial definitive from KGV and KGVI reigns. Scott, Gibbons and Michel are of some help, but are often insufficient. I found these two web pages:
http://www.kgvistamps.com/articles/SouthAfrica-KGV-Album/SA-KGV-Album.html
http://www.kgvistamps.com/articles/SouthAfrica-KGVI-Album/SA-KGVI-Album.html
But they don't seem to get me over the "hump" on several of the stamps.
I do not have these two books:
Stamps of British South Africa 1890-1980 by Landau
South African colour catalogue 2017/18 edition (published in South Africa) - not cheap
Would either of these two books provide thorough help identifying such stamps, including the various color variations better than the catalogs and web sites I listed?
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re: South African KGV and KGVI Issues ID Reference
Hi Michael,
I have found this site to be particularly helpful for identifying the various pictorial definitive printings:
http://www.southafricacollector.com/Identifying_South_Africa_Union_Definitives.htm
I have both the 2004/2005 and 2010/2011 editions of the South African Colour Catalogue. There seems to be no difference between them (other than prices) in the sections of the catalogue devoted to the Union of South Africa, so it will probably be cheaper to look out for one of the older editions on eBay.
That being said, although it is an excellent catalogue for the Southern African countries it covers, I don't feel that it offers much advantage over Gibbons as an aid to discerning between the pictorial definitive printings.
I am not familiar with "Stamps of British South Africa 1890-1980", but British South Africa generally refers to Rhodesia.
Clive
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Clive, thank you very much. The link provides what I was looking for and more. I'll take those stamps out of the drawer again. I think I won't get as big a headache this time!
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Clive,
Many, many thanks for the link.
Merv
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re: South African KGV and KGVI Issues ID Reference
A few years back I purchased the very detailed "A Collectors Guide to the Pictorial Definitives of the Union of South Africa 1926-54" self published by Steven Baker.
I didn't mention it previously because I was no longer sure whether it was still available and at around US$50 it was not too cheap.
I have subsequently contacted Steven, and not only has he released an updated second edition of his guide, but he now distributes it at a much more affordable US$15 as a PDF.
I can't of course post his email address in a public forum, but would be happy to pass on his contact information via the private message system.
Clive
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04:18:34pm
re: South African KGV and KGVI Issues ID Reference
There is/was a tutorial on Stampboards specifically to identify the multiplicity of issues of these. However in view of the "photobucket" issues I am not sure whether this is still current.
They have an army of temporary moderators currently transferring all the images from Photobucket to Imgur - however with many thousands of images it may not all happen before Photobucket goes under - as many people expect it to. Some of these moderators are trying to prioritise which threads are the most important - and these tutorials must be favourite. However some of them are very long with hundreds of images, and some of the people involved are sticking to the "simple" ones due to actual or perceived skill shortage.
When I get a minute I will check up and see if it has been processeed and come back with the link or at least a reference.
Malcolm
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06:29:03pm
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I have just checked on the Stampboards site and regrettably this thread has not yet been refreshed.
Malcolm
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04:13:32am
re: South African KGV and KGVI Issues ID Reference
Try www.rjbw.net/SA1926-54
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"...They have an army of temporary moderators currently transferring all the images from Photobucket to Imgur ..."
I am confused. What prevents Imgur from changing their terms and conditions in the future like Photobucket did? Companies get sold, transferred, change, or simply close all the time. Imgur is just like Photobucket, as the number of images they host goes up so does their costs. And Imgur appears to be on a very similar path as Photobucket; they first introduced display ads (May 2009) and then moved to sponsored images and ads (2013).
Any forum/blog/website which allows 3rd party image links is taking a large risk and putting their archive in the hands of other parties. If any forum/blog/website wants to be in control of their own destiny, they would eliminate any 3rd party dependencies. Failing to do so means they might want to keep that army of helpers on hand for 'round two'.
Don
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re: South African KGV and KGVI Issues ID Reference
Third party images have been an ongoing problem for forums for quite a while now. If an image is deleted on a third party site by the owner of the image, then it is also deleted from the forum site as well. Going back through old threads you'll find several that have "image not available". This is mostly caused by the deletion of images from third party sites.
I belong to a handful of unrelated forums and I believe all have stopped allowing third party images. It can virtually destroy the integrity of an otherwise valuable source of information.
WB
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re: South African KGV and KGVI Issues ID Reference
Hi Everyone;
@ malcolm197;
Can you or someone else on SOR, who is also a member of Stampboards, contact their site and offer some of our members with great computer skills to help them to preserve this priceless information.
I would love to be involved, however my computer is a WIN/98 and all my browsers are too out of date to be able to do this sort of project. They barely function at all at this time, and I need to buy a newer used machine.
Just thinkin' again....
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07:55:44am
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Hi Tusken,
Back in 2014 I was working on my South Africa stamps, and having trouble with all the varieties. Since at that time I was often in locations without internet access, I copied one or more of those threads to a word file on my computer.
After seeing your post above, I thought I'd mention that, in case anyone would like a copy of my copy.
So far, I have found a file on the 1/2p springbok, which is replete with fairly high def pictures.
I'm open to suggestions on if or how to proceed any further on this issue, and in the meantime will continue searching my computer for more related data.
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re: South African KGV and KGVI Issues ID Reference
Hi Everyone;
Great idea Benque.
Back when I used to sell lots of jewellery on the web, I used to download, lots of webpages, about how-to's on various types of metal and wire fabrication.
Here is the steps used to download a "Web Page Complete"
Using Internet Explorer V6.0.2800.1106
steps to save a complete webpage using Internet Explorer:
File > Save As... > Web Page, complete (*.htm, *.html)
Using Mozilla Firefox V2.0.0.11
steps to save a complete webpage using Firefox:
File > Save Page As... Ctrl + S > Web Page, complete
In both the above steps, in the File name text window, edit this with a name that will make sense later. File in a folder under a title that will make location easy when this info in needed for reference.
When these pages are downloaded as "Web page Complete", they look just like you were viewing them on line. However there may be copyright issues. It would probably be easy to get granted permission to do this, as long as you have no intention of using them for anything other than your own personal non-public use. You could show stamp club members how to download, but distributing copies to members would cross that line, I think.
Also when you attempt to open them, off-line, your computer may attempt to log on to the internet, and you can just cancel this. If you are on-line, the computer may try to connect to a non-existent website.
The web page will actually be downloaded into a folder that contains, .jpg image files, style sheet files .css, and any other supporting files needed to display the page as seen on the web. Be careful about moving this folder after you have named it because some of the data in the folder will look for the path that was originally assigned at the time of download, and moving it will break this path link, I believe. There is a simple fix for this, but I can't remember how it is done.
Thinkin' too much, OHHH my head hurts
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"...The web page will actually be downloaded into a folder that contains, .jpg image files, style sheet files .css, and any other supporting files needed to display the page as seen on the web..."
This is only true with website that were designed in years past; with modern web design this is no longer true. Additionally, many modern web sites now rely upon 'server-side' programming. In the past a simple web site works with 'Client-side' processing...
1. browser requests web page
2. server sends the code files
3. browser processes the code files and displays the web page
But with server side processing it works like this...
1. browser requests web page
2. server reads the code files and generates the web page on the server
3. server then sends the generated page to browser
4. browser displays the page
This allows developers to write web pages without 'giving away the farm' and protect what they develop.
So if you are going to use the 'Save As' method described above you should test it carefully and make sure you are actually getting a readable copy of the page.
Don
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re: South African KGV and KGVI Issues ID Reference
Hi Everyone;
Thanks for that info Don, I was not aware of that. It was many years ago that I was able to download that way. I will try that out when I download pages the next time.
Do you think most forums have the resources to program that way? I would think that most of them operate on a very limited budget?
Just loafin'....
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re: South African KGV and KGVI Issues ID Reference
Hi Ken,
Most forums use a SQL database foundation, the posts are stored in a database and when a browser asks for a page it fetches the content from the database and generates the page with it. Some browsers might be able to ‘save as’ a single page but no browsers can request data from the database. In some cases you can do a ‘Print to PDF’ and this also saves a snap shot of a single page. If a person is just saving a simple page or two this is fine.
Don
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