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United States/Stamps : Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

 

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05 Jun 2017
10:18:31am
These are the 34c Santa and Christmas tree issues, with three distinct varieties (and a fourth if you count the red/green denomination, which has its own major numbers). But Scott doesnt show the difference between the large and small date varieties, which is what distinguishes a from b.

can anyone illustrate it for me.

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David
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05 Jun 2017
11:21:00am
re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

From my file... the a and b have small and large year.

3537-3540 34¢ Santa Claus Chromolithograhs sheet
3537a-3540a 34¢ Santa Claus Chromolithograhs bklt, black, small date
3537b-3540b 34¢ Santa Claus Chromolithograhs bklt, black large date

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05 Jun 2017
12:13:18pm
re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

thanks Al

this is where I was hoping to SEE the differences. I read the Scott description, but large and small doesn't help much. To me, they ALL look alike. it could be that they are alll the same size and I'm missing a or b, but how would I know. In addition, they are priced comparably, so one would assume that they exist in similar numbers, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

so, can someone SHOW the difference between A and B?

David

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05 Jun 2017
05:40:07pm
re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

Here is a scan of them side by side. The left is small date and right is large date.

I keep forgeting it is image tag not img bbC code.


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05 Jun 2017
09:20:12pm
re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

The sheet stamps (3537-40) are easy to ID by the die cut on all 4 sides and the one-sided booklet stamps (3541-44) are easy to ID with the green 34 and red USA (and the stamps are smaller). The two different booklet stamps with black 34 and USA (small date and large date) can easily be differentiated if you have a complete booklet. 3537a-3540a (3540d - small date) is plate number S1111 and 3537b-3540b (3540g - large date) is plate number S3333 or S4444. I can ID any of those from the reference booklet panes in my collectio. Sorry my scan isn't clear enough to use (If it was, it would be too large to load to SOR anyway).

Drop by some day and you can compare them to my reference items! Laughing

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05 Jun 2017
11:29:08pm
re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

thanks Lars; love to come visit; and, actually, I was able to easily tell things apart once I started sorting and could SEE the green/red denomination for one group and the different kerning on the other. but the booklets..... ouch.

thanks Al, that's what I needed.

David

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06 Jun 2017
12:21:16am
re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

Two further observations:

1) The sheet stamps (die cuts on all 4 sides) are large date.

2) Large dates are approximately 1.5 mm wide while small dates are only about 1.2 mm wide.

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06 Jun 2017
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re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

thanks for the dimensions, Lars, that's also incredibly helpful to these old eyes

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These are the 34c Santa and Christmas tree issues, with three distinct varieties (and a fourth if you count the red/green denomination, which has its own major numbers). But Scott doesnt show the difference between the large and small date varieties, which is what distinguishes a from b.

can anyone illustrate it for me.

thanks

David

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05 Jun 2017
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re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

From my file... the a and b have small and large year.

3537-3540 34¢ Santa Claus Chromolithograhs sheet
3537a-3540a 34¢ Santa Claus Chromolithograhs bklt, black, small date
3537b-3540b 34¢ Santa Claus Chromolithograhs bklt, black large date

Al

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re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

thanks Al

this is where I was hoping to SEE the differences. I read the Scott description, but large and small doesn't help much. To me, they ALL look alike. it could be that they are alll the same size and I'm missing a or b, but how would I know. In addition, they are priced comparably, so one would assume that they exist in similar numbers, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

so, can someone SHOW the difference between A and B?

David

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05 Jun 2017
05:40:07pm

re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

Here is a scan of them side by side. The left is small date and right is large date.

I keep forgeting it is image tag not img bbC code.


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05 Jun 2017
09:20:12pm

re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

The sheet stamps (3537-40) are easy to ID by the die cut on all 4 sides and the one-sided booklet stamps (3541-44) are easy to ID with the green 34 and red USA (and the stamps are smaller). The two different booklet stamps with black 34 and USA (small date and large date) can easily be differentiated if you have a complete booklet. 3537a-3540a (3540d - small date) is plate number S1111 and 3537b-3540b (3540g - large date) is plate number S3333 or S4444. I can ID any of those from the reference booklet panes in my collectio. Sorry my scan isn't clear enough to use (If it was, it would be too large to load to SOR anyway).

Drop by some day and you can compare them to my reference items! Laughing

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05 Jun 2017
11:29:08pm

re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

thanks Lars; love to come visit; and, actually, I was able to easily tell things apart once I started sorting and could SEE the green/red denomination for one group and the different kerning on the other. but the booklets..... ouch.

thanks Al, that's what I needed.

David

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06 Jun 2017
12:21:16am

re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

Two further observations:

1) The sheet stamps (die cuts on all 4 sides) are large date.

2) Large dates are approximately 1.5 mm wide while small dates are only about 1.2 mm wide.

Lars

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06 Jun 2017
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re: Need Help: How to tell the difference between 3537-40a and b, the two booklet stamps

thanks for the dimensions, Lars, that's also incredibly helpful to these old eyes

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