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giershl
25 Apr 2017
06:24:41pm
What is this bottom margin called? The 8p on top would be described as torn, cut, torn, torn. Would the bottom one be described as torn, cut, cut, torn? My crop missed the perfs on the side. Should the 10/8p stamps on the bottom have different Deegam numbers from the stamps above? Collected GB when stationed in England courtesy of the Air Force. Finally getting around to picking it up again after retiring a second time. Seems like a nice welcoming site. Recommended by a member of the Panama City, FL Stamp Club.
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sheepshanks
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25 Apr 2017
07:23:15pm
re: GB Booklet Margin

Could you provide us with a scan that has not been cropped. It would help to see the stamps with space all around.
Looks like they have come from a booklet pane but need a fuller image to confirm. Probably SG X849Ia.

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sheepshanks
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25 Apr 2017
07:37:30pm
re: GB Booklet Margin

Regarding Deegam notation, this web page will help. Scroll about 2/3 of the way down.
http://www.gbstamps.com/gbcc/gbcc_myall_intvw.html

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giershl
25 Apr 2017
08:57:21pm
re: GB Booklet Margin

Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, they are from a booklet. DB9 Veteran Cars, No. 1: 1907 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost. I have both panes. DP33 and DP33A issued 3 Oct 1979. You are right about them (pictured) being X849Ia. Lots of booklets just have perfs at the bottom. I am curious as to what that is called when you can see the whole perf (hole)? Wing margin?Margin perf? Wide margin? I'm not sure collectors would tear it off to mount the stamps in their album. With it removed you could not tell it was originally different from the stamp above it. So wouldn't the stamps on the bottom of the pane be a different catalog number? Deegam show different numbers for different positions in an booklet with imperf edges. Ex. PPPI, PIPP, PPII, PIIP. (Perf, Perf, Perf, Imperf etc.) Probably just trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but that's what 's great about the Machins. They can be as easy or as hard as you want.

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sheepshanks
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25 Apr 2017
09:12:15pm
re: GB Booklet Margin

Personally I would call it selvedge edge but if you have the whole pane mount it as such,(with the booklet)and assign the relevant Deegam numbers.
Maybe one of our resident Machin/Deegam experts will weigh in with a more correct notation.

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cdj1122
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26 Apr 2017
12:13:43am
re: GB Booklet Margin

" .... What is this bottom margin called? ...."

Selvage.

" .... The 8p on top would be described as torn, cut, torn, torn. ...."
Yes. TCTT

" .... Would the bottom one be described as torn, cut, cut, torn? ...."
No, because to remove the selvage now, the bottom of the stamp would be torn, thus TCTT.
The TCTC system was created to identify single stamps and not stamps with some selvage still attached. On the other hand, were that selvage removed during production it would have been cut, normally giving us TCCT.

" .... My crop missed the perfs on the side. ...."
That does make things interesting, so I assume that they are cut as is normal in assembling panes for a booklet.

" .... Should the 10/8p stamps on the bottom have different Deegam numbers from the stamps above? ...."
No, again assuming they are from the block you are displaying which seems to be from a booklet pane #DP 33A issued around 1979 as a part of an eight stamp pane containing a postcode label, 2p x 2, 8p x 2, 10p x 3 stamps.
The Deegam number for the 8p is DG80.4 at the second level and has a single left band 3.5mm wide.
However there are two sub varieties at the next level of detail;
DG 80.4.1, that was printed sideways left to right,
AND
DG 80.4. 2, which was printed sideways right to left.
Similar panes were printed with the values positions reversed, DG80.3.1 and DG80.3.2 that have are RB.
They may also be separated by their position in the block top or bottom by the TCTC notation , however that does not rise to an individual Deegam number, although I try to assemble all such minor variations.
Beyond that, DG 80.4.1 has a further sub variety; DG 80.4.1a that is more elusive as it is a minor mis-placement of the phosphor band showing at the top right of the top 8p stamp.
The 3 10p stamps, officially greyish orange, are interesting as well but not as complex because they are all 2b examples, so there are two to deal with at level 2; DG100.6.1 and DG100.6.2, and can easily be differentiated by the direction the stamps were printed "SL" or "SR," unless the bottom selvage was trimmed off as the booklets were assembled. There is also a minor phosphor variation DG100.5.1a caused when the phosphor bands were not aligned correctly during printing.

If all that makes sense to someone on the first reading they need to buy a two or three kilo bag of Machins and join the insanity. All these details for everyone of the 500 different color/value issues are on the Complete Deegam Machin Handbook Disc.

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26 Apr 2017
12:43:25am
re: GB Booklet Margin

I think this should be moved to the Great Britain page
where it will fit in with other Machin topics.

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giershl
26 Apr 2017
08:12:31am
re: GB Booklet Margin

Agree. Who does that? If me, how?

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26 Apr 2017
11:51:20am
re: GB Booklet Margin

No, one of the management team will do it.

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