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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Any stories of "surprise" finds?

 

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21 Apr 2017
08:42:51pm
I'm still looking for one. I've come close a few times, only to be dashed by slight color differences and watermarks.

However, the quest continues.
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21 Apr 2017
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I got an upright Jenny sheet from a post office near where I live.

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22 Apr 2017
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I had run across this stamp in a collection I had purchased out of Europe a few years ago. The perfs gauged out at 12 x 10 and this would make it a very, very rare Scott #423B compound perf.

Since less than 50 #428Bs are known to exist, I mounted it in my album as a space filler but penciled 'FAKE' next to it on the page.

Two years went by and one day I was scanning all the stamps in this album. When I looked closer at the high resolution scans, the perfs started to look more and more legitimate. The perf spacing looked right, the perf tips looked good, the holes looked correct for the period. The cancel looked period correct. So I passed the images around to several Washington/Franklin experts and none could disqualify the stamp as a being legitimate.

Based upon their opinions, I sprung for the cost of a cert and sent it in. To my surprise it came back as a real #428B.
Don

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Edit: I worry a bit that these kinds of stories encourages 'treasure hunting'. No question that it can be fun to search for rarities but we should always start with the assumption that we have the most common stamps, not the rarest. Rare stamps are just that, rare. In particular the Washington/Franklin marketplace is filled with fakes and forgeries and we have to be very careful about having our expectations dashed.

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22 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

51 Studebaker

I started this topic just for enjoyment. I have no delusions when buying stamps that there is treasure within. But just even ruling out a stamp from notoriety is fun. It forces you to do some real serious examining and research. That's worth the price of admission.

I also dabble in metal detecting. Similar situation. When you get a good signal, it is 99.9% of the time nothing special. But...once in a blue moon, there is "gold" down there. I've had a handful of very nice finds doing this. I visit several metal detecting sites online frequently to read stories of great finds. Love it!

Your story is just what I was hoping to see. Love them.

Hope others post as well.

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22 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

Hi John,
Understood and agreed, thank you for starting the thread and I am looking forward to more fun ‘discovery’ stories.

I just wanted to post a bit of a ‘disclaimer’; there are many less experienced hobbyists who get on eBay and think they can find a 5 of 6 figure stamp. And unfortunately some of them are spending a lot of money trying to chasing treasures. I get emails every week at Stamp Smarter (and deal with many posts on one of the other stamp forums) where hobbyists think they can quit their jobs and retire.

I would imagine some of this is similar to metal detecting. I assume it would be unwise to go spend a lot of money on expensive detectors and think you will find a treasure in your back yard. The real value comes with learning; learning about the different detectors, learning the best places to hunt, and getting outdoors and enjoying yourself.

Are there hidden stamp treasures hiding out there? Without question. Chances of stumbling upon one? Pretty low. It should be noted that a person can increase these odds if they spend time learning. First become highly knowledgeable about the stamps themselves in your area of interest. Second, become highly knowledgeable about using search and filtering tools on online auction sites. With these proficiencies in hand a person can increase the odds of finding a treasure.
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22 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

I bought a set of Harris Statesman album at a local stamp club auction. I paid much less than $100 total. Had lots of nice US Postage Dues that I wanted, and tons of worldwide stamps. But after looking through my albums I had just bid on and won, I found these little guys lurking on some loose album pages.

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22 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

No "surprise" finds, but a bit of digging got me a few items for a good price. One example is a booklet pane US 2283c. That is a pane of the pheasant stamps with the red removed from the sky. The normal pane (2283a) has a CV of $6. A pane with the red removed (2283c) has a CV of $45. If there is a plate number on the pane it is easy to determine if a listing for 2283a is really a 2283c.

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Tom in Exton, PA

23 Apr 2017
03:29:18pm
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Nice set of Zeps... I always wonder who the heck soaked stamps off Zeppelin covers!?!

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24 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

It's not a stamp 'surprise' but a stamp album 'surprise'.
I was looking around an RSPCA thrift shop early last year and found a beautiful Yvert & Tellier album, brand new and still wrapped up. It came with a good strong slip-case and a generous number of pages.
Bought it for £3.99.

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Tom in Exton, PA

24 Apr 2017
02:56:12pm
re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

My surprise find of the week... we had the big model car show this weekend and a long term friend of mine asked me what to do with his father's stamp collection. I have known this fellow for many years, I knew his dad died last year, but never a mention he was a collector.

I offered to help him figure a value, and we cannot do it in person because he lives 10 hours away. He's not in a hurry, so once we get through the preliminary, I may ask him to drive it down next year and I can make him an offer.

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24 Apr 2017
05:58:51pm
re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

I don't have them certified, but I believe I found Bavaria #'s 2a, 3 and 8 in a "LARGE ACCUMULATION" that I bought a couple of years ago. I think they're legit, the cancels look right anyway. If memory serves, they cataloged for around $500.


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Ningpo
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24 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

This is a bit of a twist on 'Surprise Finds':

Today, I was notified by Royal Mail that I had won one of the special David Bowie FDC's in a competition, that had been put into space by balloon. This certainly was a 'surprise', as I had completely forgotten entering the competition. I had to 'find' where it landed by estimating its touchdown position on it's return to earth. To assist entrants, an onboard video of its descent was shown with a global positioning map who then had to click on the map to record the GPS coordinates.

Trouble was, the video camera failed a few hundred feet in the air as the balloon spiralled to earth. Blindly, I made my choice.

Here's an article from the Guardian newspaper from a month ago. I'm not sure they got their facts right, as I was led to believe only one balloon was launched; well there was only one on the competition website:


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I am just waiting for the email to tell me my prize has been sent by balloon post, and I must guess where it lands so I can collect it. Big Grin

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25 Apr 2017
03:41:29am
re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

Quite a few years ago on eBay - $26 for an almost complete set of S/S of the Queen Mum's 85th birthday of the Flora /Fauna. These included the circulating S/S as well as the imperf proofs of these S/S. Only missing one or two.

The other bargain I got on eBay was a used set of the first four stamps of Luxembourg. I think I paid about $40 and discovered upon arrival that one is mint hinged - definitely worth my $40. I suppose it could be that the stamp's cancellation was removed at some point, but on high resolution scan, there is no indication at all that a cancellation was there at all.


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08 Jun 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

To the left, a post about service dogs. If one has dog in public that cannot be petted then that pooch belongs elsewhere. The use of the discussion boards to further the questionable cause of of "service dogs" is not right. I do not need this. Read it.

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08 Jun 2017
07:55:48pm
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I'm sure Kelly can speak for herself, but I cannot let such a stupid comment go. Service dogs are working dogs. Do you seriously think a farmer will thank you for petting his sheepdog while it is rounding up the sheep? Will a policeman thanks you for playing ball with his dog in the middle of a riot? Let the dog do its work and if you feel the need to play with a dog get one of your own. It may well be that the owner of the service dog will let you fuss it when he or she is at rest, but don't assume you have a God-given right to grab every dog you see.
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08 Jun 2017
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To the left, a post about service dogs. If one has dog in public that cannot be petted then that pooch belongs elsewhere. The use of the discussion boards to further the questionable cause of of "service dogs" is not right. I do not need this. Read it.


Moderator Note: There is no need to repeat oneself. The point was previously made. Move on. Stay on topic. This is a discussion about philatelic finds. If you want to start a discussion about service dogs, go to the Non-philatelic Discussion Topic.



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08 Jun 2017
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I'm afraid I can't remain silent here. In addition to clicking "like" to what Merv said, I also must defend service animals. While it may be true that a small, entitled segment of society has abused the notion of a service animal, the overwhelming majority of service animals are quite literally life-savers. We have a young diabetic boy in our neighborhood that has a service dog than can sense when his blood sugar is low and will alert an adult immediately if there is a problem. Of course they use other means to monitor the boy, but on more than one occasion the dog was the first alert.

I just can't let the prior comment stand and will gladly debate further if the OP wants to post something in a non-philatelic post.

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08 Jun 2017
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OK, since Merv and Lars already responded I guess I can chime in.
What do we know about johnfields? He is a new member, 30 days. In his first post his first question was'is this a Jewish hobby". I steered clear of that question as all other members of the forum.
I have been on this forum long enough to know that Kelly depends on her service dogs. I think we all feel the same way about Kelly, we love her and cherish our friendship with her.
I did send Kelly a message as I'm sure most other members here did.
If johnfields wants to be taken seriously, maybe take it down a notch and try to be a little more understanding.
Unlike Lars I don't wish to debate the issue with johnfieldss. My one and only post on this topic.

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08 Jun 2017
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Did he seriously post "is this a Jewish hobby?!?"

WOW! I mean seriously, like wow!

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21 Apr 2017
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I'm still looking for one. I've come close a few times, only to be dashed by slight color differences and watermarks.

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I got an upright Jenny sheet from a post office near where I live.

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22 Apr 2017
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I had run across this stamp in a collection I had purchased out of Europe a few years ago. The perfs gauged out at 12 x 10 and this would make it a very, very rare Scott #423B compound perf.

Since less than 50 #428Bs are known to exist, I mounted it in my album as a space filler but penciled 'FAKE' next to it on the page.

Two years went by and one day I was scanning all the stamps in this album. When I looked closer at the high resolution scans, the perfs started to look more and more legitimate. The perf spacing looked right, the perf tips looked good, the holes looked correct for the period. The cancel looked period correct. So I passed the images around to several Washington/Franklin experts and none could disqualify the stamp as a being legitimate.

Based upon their opinions, I sprung for the cost of a cert and sent it in. To my surprise it came back as a real #428B.
Don

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Edit: I worry a bit that these kinds of stories encourages 'treasure hunting'. No question that it can be fun to search for rarities but we should always start with the assumption that we have the most common stamps, not the rarest. Rare stamps are just that, rare. In particular the Washington/Franklin marketplace is filled with fakes and forgeries and we have to be very careful about having our expectations dashed.

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22 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

51 Studebaker

I started this topic just for enjoyment. I have no delusions when buying stamps that there is treasure within. But just even ruling out a stamp from notoriety is fun. It forces you to do some real serious examining and research. That's worth the price of admission.

I also dabble in metal detecting. Similar situation. When you get a good signal, it is 99.9% of the time nothing special. But...once in a blue moon, there is "gold" down there. I've had a handful of very nice finds doing this. I visit several metal detecting sites online frequently to read stories of great finds. Love it!

Your story is just what I was hoping to see. Love them.

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22 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

Hi John,
Understood and agreed, thank you for starting the thread and I am looking forward to more fun ‘discovery’ stories.

I just wanted to post a bit of a ‘disclaimer’; there are many less experienced hobbyists who get on eBay and think they can find a 5 of 6 figure stamp. And unfortunately some of them are spending a lot of money trying to chasing treasures. I get emails every week at Stamp Smarter (and deal with many posts on one of the other stamp forums) where hobbyists think they can quit their jobs and retire.

I would imagine some of this is similar to metal detecting. I assume it would be unwise to go spend a lot of money on expensive detectors and think you will find a treasure in your back yard. The real value comes with learning; learning about the different detectors, learning the best places to hunt, and getting outdoors and enjoying yourself.

Are there hidden stamp treasures hiding out there? Without question. Chances of stumbling upon one? Pretty low. It should be noted that a person can increase these odds if they spend time learning. First become highly knowledgeable about the stamps themselves in your area of interest. Second, become highly knowledgeable about using search and filtering tools on online auction sites. With these proficiencies in hand a person can increase the odds of finding a treasure.
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22 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

I bought a set of Harris Statesman album at a local stamp club auction. I paid much less than $100 total. Had lots of nice US Postage Dues that I wanted, and tons of worldwide stamps. But after looking through my albums I had just bid on and won, I found these little guys lurking on some loose album pages.

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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

No "surprise" finds, but a bit of digging got me a few items for a good price. One example is a booklet pane US 2283c. That is a pane of the pheasant stamps with the red removed from the sky. The normal pane (2283a) has a CV of $6. A pane with the red removed (2283c) has a CV of $45. If there is a plate number on the pane it is easy to determine if a listing for 2283a is really a 2283c.

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Nice set of Zeps... I always wonder who the heck soaked stamps off Zeppelin covers!?!

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24 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

It's not a stamp 'surprise' but a stamp album 'surprise'.
I was looking around an RSPCA thrift shop early last year and found a beautiful Yvert & Tellier album, brand new and still wrapped up. It came with a good strong slip-case and a generous number of pages.
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24 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

My surprise find of the week... we had the big model car show this weekend and a long term friend of mine asked me what to do with his father's stamp collection. I have known this fellow for many years, I knew his dad died last year, but never a mention he was a collector.

I offered to help him figure a value, and we cannot do it in person because he lives 10 hours away. He's not in a hurry, so once we get through the preliminary, I may ask him to drive it down next year and I can make him an offer.

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24 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

I don't have them certified, but I believe I found Bavaria #'s 2a, 3 and 8 in a "LARGE ACCUMULATION" that I bought a couple of years ago. I think they're legit, the cancels look right anyway. If memory serves, they cataloged for around $500.


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24 Apr 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

This is a bit of a twist on 'Surprise Finds':

Today, I was notified by Royal Mail that I had won one of the special David Bowie FDC's in a competition, that had been put into space by balloon. This certainly was a 'surprise', as I had completely forgotten entering the competition. I had to 'find' where it landed by estimating its touchdown position on it's return to earth. To assist entrants, an onboard video of its descent was shown with a global positioning map who then had to click on the map to record the GPS coordinates.

Trouble was, the video camera failed a few hundred feet in the air as the balloon spiralled to earth. Blindly, I made my choice.

Here's an article from the Guardian newspaper from a month ago. I'm not sure they got their facts right, as I was led to believe only one balloon was launched; well there was only one on the competition website:


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I am just waiting for the email to tell me my prize has been sent by balloon post, and I must guess where it lands so I can collect it. Big Grin

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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

Quite a few years ago on eBay - $26 for an almost complete set of S/S of the Queen Mum's 85th birthday of the Flora /Fauna. These included the circulating S/S as well as the imperf proofs of these S/S. Only missing one or two.

The other bargain I got on eBay was a used set of the first four stamps of Luxembourg. I think I paid about $40 and discovered upon arrival that one is mint hinged - definitely worth my $40. I suppose it could be that the stamp's cancellation was removed at some point, but on high resolution scan, there is no indication at all that a cancellation was there at all.


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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

To the left, a post about service dogs. If one has dog in public that cannot be petted then that pooch belongs elsewhere. The use of the discussion boards to further the questionable cause of of "service dogs" is not right. I do not need this. Read it.

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08 Jun 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

I'm sure Kelly can speak for herself, but I cannot let such a stupid comment go. Service dogs are working dogs. Do you seriously think a farmer will thank you for petting his sheepdog while it is rounding up the sheep? Will a policeman thanks you for playing ball with his dog in the middle of a riot? Let the dog do its work and if you feel the need to play with a dog get one of your own. It may well be that the owner of the service dog will let you fuss it when he or she is at rest, but don't assume you have a God-given right to grab every dog you see.
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08 Jun 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

To the left, a post about service dogs. If one has dog in public that cannot be petted then that pooch belongs elsewhere. The use of the discussion boards to further the questionable cause of of "service dogs" is not right. I do not need this. Read it.


Moderator Note: There is no need to repeat oneself. The point was previously made. Move on. Stay on topic. This is a discussion about philatelic finds. If you want to start a discussion about service dogs, go to the Non-philatelic Discussion Topic.



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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

I'm afraid I can't remain silent here. In addition to clicking "like" to what Merv said, I also must defend service animals. While it may be true that a small, entitled segment of society has abused the notion of a service animal, the overwhelming majority of service animals are quite literally life-savers. We have a young diabetic boy in our neighborhood that has a service dog than can sense when his blood sugar is low and will alert an adult immediately if there is a problem. Of course they use other means to monitor the boy, but on more than one occasion the dog was the first alert.

I just can't let the prior comment stand and will gladly debate further if the OP wants to post something in a non-philatelic post.

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08 Jun 2017
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re: Any stories of "surprise" finds?

OK, since Merv and Lars already responded I guess I can chime in.
What do we know about johnfields? He is a new member, 30 days. In his first post his first question was'is this a Jewish hobby". I steered clear of that question as all other members of the forum.
I have been on this forum long enough to know that Kelly depends on her service dogs. I think we all feel the same way about Kelly, we love her and cherish our friendship with her.
I did send Kelly a message as I'm sure most other members here did.
If johnfields wants to be taken seriously, maybe take it down a notch and try to be a little more understanding.
Unlike Lars I don't wish to debate the issue with johnfieldss. My one and only post on this topic.

Vince

Moderator Note: It was requested that those wanting to discuss service animals start or continue the discussion in the appropriate topic, and to stay on topic with this discussion regarding philatelic finds. Since that advice wasn't taken, this thread has been closed.

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Did he seriously post "is this a Jewish hobby?!?"

WOW! I mean seriously, like wow!

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